Lets Discuss rationaly some of the things up on board RULES

First topic message reminder :

Here is what ive gotten so far and still need some input on here for Ralph to see or hear.

1 first rumor was clamped classes well here is skippy on that.

Okay so one of the rumors about clamped classesis a rumor it will beclamped at regional and finals to make sure amps are right not to determine classes... So i like that idea as long as it doesn't add 3 hours to the show and usaci has the man power to do it... Good job and effort.. Only thing is cheaters will find a way to hide an amp you cant clamp im sure cheaters will always figure a way...
2 the other harsh rumor was no more prostock.

IT IS A RUMOR . It will be allowed to remove panels in ext cab trucks as well as back seat so they can play as long as below window line.... Thats kewl too should also mae it to where vans with half walls can join too..... Good in my book as well

3. Is that they are not going to have unlimitted anymore .... grrrr


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Thats exacly what i am saying, its going to happen..

M3?????

There are only going to be 4 people at finals that aren't called cheaters and forced to leave the show.

Ok, if we are going to clamp...what CERTIFIED DMM are we going to use?

Will event directors need to send their DMM in for calibration from time to time?

Will we have an O-scope on hand?

hunterw wrote:

M3?????

D5????

sounds miserable and I see many ppl sayin F it..

beatnoutdaframe wrote:

hunterw wrote:

M3?????

D5????

sure M3,D5,4.1,pf600.1,d9,40.1,pd2000, your missing the point dude. hasnt nothing to do with what brand the amp is. it has to do with the fact that the m3 was one of the last debated/bench tested amps at 600 watts. so it does 600 watts at 4 ohms but we all know the amp will do 3k of power. so does that mean its now rated over 600 watts or do we go by usacis tested ratings. im not picking on a certain brand or certain amp so calm down and dont get hurt just because i mentioned a DD amp. jesus.

Whats wrong with the current rules?????????????? evryone knows them so why change them???????? I figured you guys would get rid of a class or two not all the crap going on....Makes me want 2 build for DRAG cause this will take for ever to change and i dont have forever.....

I run the big power class's and still say clamped is stupid. Sorry but not many event judges really know how to truely run a true RMS dmm, so what now guys.

Nowif vans can run ps, can mini's run batts in the complete bed. U can say 36 in rule and below window line because that will be twice as tall as a mini

After reading all this, all I can say is WOW.
The 200.1 is the same amp that I used in 07. I didn't win finals. I wanted to be a World Champion and I decided to work my ass off to be one. It took lots of testing and sleepless nights. I learned numerous things about my van. My box went throught numerous changes to get where it is now. My van is louder unmanned than manned using the same equipment. That is all due to my testing and playing with the van. Like jeff said, there are better amp out there than the one I used. There are more DBs in my box design and I just have to get it out..
Bigun Van was louder in 08 with a 166.1 DBs. Unfortunately, this yr they had issues with the van and still win finals. They are working on the van to get it fixed. That van is loud

Moonie wrote:

Whats wrong with the current rules?????????????? evryone knows them so why change them???????? I figured you guys would get rid of a class or two not all the crap going on....Makes me want 2 build for DRAG cause this will take for ever to change and i dont have forever.....

X2

Kumar, I personally think you did awesome. I know that don't mean much but you were the stand out SPLer of finals.

Congrats again bro

mod4000 wrote:

Kumar, I personally think you did awesome. I know that don't mean much but you were the stand out SPLer of finals.

Congrats again bro

That means alot. thanks

TECH114 wrote:

mod4000 wrote:

Kumar, I personally think you did awesome. I know that don't mean much but you were the stand out SPLer of finals.

Congrats again bro

That means alot. thanks

yeah you did great bro!

ok let me go over this again for the d5 haters, and the cheater amp word slanging fools that dont really know wtf they are talking about.

d5 wired at .25 each on peakhold did the following in my van this weekend

88v/92amps=8096 peak hold watts with a rise of .9 reactive

if you take .707 multiply 8096 by that you get 5723 watts rms on 18v not 14.4 where the amp is rated

how are you going to police the guys using 18v because your formula isnt going to work correctly anymore.

Kumar I don't think anyone is pointing the finger at you I think people just need sumn to talk about if our originalset up would have stayed tgether we would have killed our class this year, if it weren't for db drive we wouldn't have even gone to finals much less put up a great number with very little time with the Amps we did what we could under the circumstances. A very special thanks to the mayor and dbdrive for all their help and this year well you'll see ,kumar much love bro can't wait to see u kill it again this year

As far as clamped or not idk I think it's already causing mass confusion so we will see how Ralph and his team handle it I think we all know that he'll do what ever is in the best interest of usaci

all that it sounds ;ike to me everyone is lazy and doesnt wnat to work for it......i have no problem working for it......i know i can out work anyone....so either change the rules or not......all your doing is making the shop owners like myself change too the other brands cause you guys cant make a set rule and inforce them....

TECH114 wrote:

mod4000 wrote:

Kumar, I personally think you did awesome. I know that don't mean much but you were the stand out SPLer of finals.

Congrats again bro

That means alot. thanks

Kumar you did great thats the POINT... Welcome to being a World Champion... From what i heard you were the topic of discution so you must some secrets that work that others dont.... And you worked your assss off for it ... Again Welcome to being a World champ bro..... WEll deserved but sometimes makes ya wonder if its even worth it huh... And crazy how ppl will suprise the F U C K out of ya when ya turn around for just a minute or two... Keep doing what you do cause your doing it right

I was at this meeting and I did not hear KUMAR mentioned one time in any discussion. Where are you guys hearing this crap?

fornicating rumors are rediculous.

Not wanting to draw any BS....well maybe...lol

But I know quite a few of the current and OG USACi guys can chime in about phase angle and THD. Anyone wanna step up? (Mr. S...please)

Hell, I can't explain it but I know a few of you can!
Gimme some time to research and maybe. I know that peak Voltage and peak Amperage may not accure at the same time, and that can throw #'s for peak hold on a DMM way the hell out of wack.

I said i Kumar because charlse used it as an example to why he suggested the clamp Cow poopy because 0-1000 and 1001-2k is s loud as 2-4 and he said we not him was trying to eliminate the chwater amps so you can squash the rumour Dung Pile Ralph it was said to me and i never said you were the one that said it.

and when your teying to teach Darvile how to do clamp at the show sunday is a strong suggestion thats its leaning toward clamp.


Like I told you why would anyone north of tulsa wanna even go to USACI finals where ever it will be this year when we can spend half of that to go to MWSPL finals and get paid for winning if we win.

I dont like it.

sorry to put you out there like this Charlse but the denial isnt right

I mean maybe I have the wrong idea of a members meeting, but This is what im used to in the Army when we have meetings and they conclude be there or not this is whats sent out to those who couldnt attend.

ATTENDING MEMBERS
HEAD AGENDA
SUBOORDINATE AGENDAS
DISCUSSION
VOTE
CONCLUSION
FUTURE ISSUES

it maybe dfferant in the civillian sector I donno, but as members we all have a right to know exactly whats was discussed at the meeting present or not.

Like I said you may not know it but some listend in on the meeting from other locations

as unenforced as usaci rules are, I really don think rule changes even matter. people just don't care about the rules. i was bitched at by everyone for saying it, but i'll say it again. At finals, there were woofers in front of the b pillar. when i "Female dog", im put in the category of thr babies who cry about rules. now cmon dman, that is the most basic rule in the freakin book. if that one is not enforced, then who is really going to be counting electrons?

I know TAMU and them had a crx thats subs forward the b-pilla, and was told to shift them back

usac needs to find a way to have consistent judging across the board. for example; can a sb1 car run all 5 sb classes at the same show? because when I was chasing points, i wasnt alowed, but if a show was too small, then it would be suggested by a judge that i do run more that 1 sb class. which is it? are we going to be clamping in texas, but rating up north?

sanman wrote:

I know TAMU and them had a crx thats subs forward the b-pilla, and was told to shift them back

I know. it was alowed by the judge in the sb lane. i had to race the mic and hurry up and tattle tale before he ran. I bearley made it. that crx almost ran and the judge was going to alow it except that I snitched.

dbdaddy wrote:

usac needs to find a way to have consistent judging across the board. for example; can a sb1 car run all 5 sb classes at the same show? because when I was chasing points, i wasnt alowed, but if a show was too small, then it would be suggested by a judge that i do run more that 1 sb class. which is it? are we going to be clamping in texas, but rating up north?

Here is the rule for ya, sounds like you already know it but it never hurts to print out a copy of the rule book and carry it in your glovebox, then when you run into a judge who doesn’t know the rules, or even have a rule book you can correct him. It never ceases to amaze me the rules people don’t know, in this case it sounds like the judge was preventing himself from making as much money as he could because he didn’t know the rule that you can do mutiple sb classes if your system qualifies for it, amazing. Well at least the judge not knowing the rules didn’t cost you the points title. Here it is, 1 of 16 sb rules, print it out and take it with ya next time, maybe the event director will be happy you showed this to him because know he can earn more of your business.

10. Exception to “USACI General Rules”. In Street Beat a competitor may compete in multiple classes within the Street Beat division provided his/her vehicle meets the qualifications for that class.. (Example: A competitor has 4 - 10" woofers which qualifies him/her to compete in SB2, 3, 4 and 5 but not SB1. Remember that points qualification for SB1, 2, and 3 are listed as "maximum".)

dbdaddy wrote:

sanman wrote:

I know TAMU and them had a crx thats subs forward the b-pilla, and was told to shift them back

I know. it was alowed by the judge in the sb lane. i had to race the mic and hurry up and tattle tale before he ran. I bearley made it. that crx almost ran and the judge was going to alow it except that I snitched.

And as well you should have.... If anyone gave you shitt over that then fuckkkem... Cause everyone of these guys would have...


And i was there but wasn't for about ten mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!