Lets Discuss rationaly some of the things up on board RULES

First topic message reminder :

Here is what ive gotten so far and still need some input on here for Ralph to see or hear.

1 first rumor was clamped classes well here is skippy on that.

Okay so one of the rumors about clamped classesis a rumor it will beclamped at regional and finals to make sure amps are right not to determine classes... So i like that idea as long as it doesn't add 3 hours to the show and usaci has the man power to do it... Good job and effort.. Only thing is cheaters will find a way to hide an amp you cant clamp im sure cheaters will always figure a way...
2 the other harsh rumor was no more prostock.

IT IS A RUMOR . It will be allowed to remove panels in ext cab trucks as well as back seat so they can play as long as below window line.... Thats kewl too should also mae it to where vans with half walls can join too..... Good in my book as well

3. Is that they are not going to have unlimitted anymore .... grrrr


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Please pm me the model number of the one you have, just in case.

Fluke 337 is the ONLY clamp meter that should be considered. You get what you pay for. With as technical is everyone's electronic systems are, why would you use measuring equipment that's "affordable" or should I say " cheap ". To making things consistent, reliable, accurate .... you'll invest in the proper tools to do the job right the first time. If not, your wasting everyone's time and pissing in the wind.

DRUGS ARE BAD, DONT DO DRUGS CAUSE THEY ARE BAD , AND YOU DONT WANNA BE BAD. SO DONT DO DRUGS..MMMMMMMMKAY.



That was pointed towards clamping..... Not your post Steve. LOL

IF by some chance the clamp rule goes into affect then I suggest USACi call classes out at every show.. That way ppl don't sit there for days trying to go last.. Other wise we will be there even longer than normal.. The shows are already dragged out to the fullest, makes some folks just wanna play their # and hit the road.. Just a suggestion..

ShowB wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

usac needs to find a way to have consistent judging across the board. for example; can a sb1 car run all 5 sb classes at the same show? because when I was chasing points, i wasnt alowed, but if a show was too small, then it would be suggested by a judge that i do run more that 1 sb class. which is it? are we going to be clamping in texas, but rating up north?

I know none of your post are aimed at me, right? If so let me know...lol

As far as running several SB classes you can run either SB1, SB2 or SB3 (depending on which one your allowed by build specs) and SB4 and/or SB5. You can not run any more than that according to Ralph and the rules.

You and Ralph must use a differant rule book than what is posted about this in the rules on soundoff.org, check rule #10

"10. Exception to “USACI General Rules”. In Street Beat a competitor may compete in multiple
classes within the Street Beat division provided his/her vehicle meets the qualifications for that
class. .
(Example: A competitor has 4 - 10" woofers which qualifies him/her to compete in SB2, 3, 4 and
5 but not SB1. Remember that points qualification for SB1, 2, and 3 are listed as "maximum".)"

thats what is in the book, so if you had 2 10's you could actually do all five classes, but 4 10's like the example in the rule book, well only sb2-5

kickercrx wrote:

ShowB wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

usac needs to find a way to have consistent judging across the board. for example; can a sb1 car run all 5 sb classes at the same show? because when I was chasing points, i wasnt alowed, but if a show was too small, then it would be suggested by a judge that i do run more that 1 sb class. which is it? are we going to be clamping in texas, but rating up north?

I know none of your post are aimed at me, right? If so let me know...lol

As far as running several SB classes you can run either SB1, SB2 or SB3 (depending on which one your allowed by build specs) and SB4 and/or SB5. You can not run any more than that according to Ralph and the rules.

You and Ralph must use a differant rule book than what is posted about this in the rules on soundoff.org, check rule #10

"10. Exception to “USACI General Rules”. In Street Beat a competitor may compete in multiple
classes within the Street Beat division provided his/her vehicle meets the qualifications for that
class. .
(Example: A competitor has 4 - 10" woofers which qualifies him/her to compete in SB2, 3, 4 and
5 but not SB1. Remember that points qualification for SB1, 2, and 3 are listed as "maximum".)"

That is what I thought, I turned in the results and was told I was doing it wrong and was told what I posted above. Hell I don't know and just try to run a fair show and go by the rules.

dBSteve wrote:

Fluke 337 is the ONLY clamp meter that should be considered. You get what you pay for. With as technical is everyone's electronic systems are, why would you use measuring equipment that's "affordable" or should I say " cheap ". To making things consistent, reliable, accurate .... you'll invest in the proper tools to do the job right the first time. If not, your wasting everyone's time and pissing in the wind.

all the mouthing and the dude still trys to help out..

everyone.. its going to boil down to this.. i get to have 5000w .. you get to have 5000w.. no matter what amp.. no matter what batterys..no matter what ohm.. no matter the rating..

dbdaddy wrote:

I dont like it.

remember i offered to help you.

dbdaddy wrote:

as unenforced as usaci rules are, I really don think rule changes even matter. people just don't care about the rules. i was bitched at by everyone for saying it, but i'll say it again. At finals, there were woofers in front of the b pillar. when i "Female dog", im put in the category of thr babies who cry about rules. now cmon dman, that is the most basic rule in the freakin book. if that one is not enforced, then who is really going to be counting electrons?

remember i tried to help you.

dbdaddy wrote:

sanman wrote:

I know TAMU and them had a crx thats subs forward the b-pilla, and was told to shift them back

I know. it was alowed by the judge in the sb lane. i had to race the mic and hurry up and tattle tale before he ran. I bearley made it. that crx almost ran and the judge was going to alow it except that I snitched.

why were you so worried about what i was doing anyway.

Amplifiers are not what keep me from winning at shows. What does keep me from winning is my cabin shape and space. I'm in a standard cab truck and compete in stock 0--600 and sb 1 or 2.

There are a group of guys all running completely different body styles that stay within tenths of each other at shows. Anyone can go buy any of the amps we are running (D5s, pf600s, 200.1s, 4.1s, 3000.5s and M3s) and we'd be glad to help them get in the same score range as us.

The people who wipe the floor with our scores constantly are in CRXs or ext cab trucks (with jump seats). Should we start worrying about how to stop those competitors? Anyone can go buy a CRX or S10 and become more competitive. I would hope I wouldn't loose to CRXs near as much as I do now if I bought one. I think sanman said it best when he said (something like): "you don't show up to a F1 race in a yugo and expect to win". He's right! The same thing goes for amps as with vehicles.

If we want to make competitions fair, where do we draw the line? Should we go all out and make everyone compete in the same vehicle, with the same power, with the same subs? That is the only way to be fair...

EDIT ^^^ that last paragraph is a retarded idea and I was just posting it to show how silly the direction this new clamped power idea is heading...

ou asking me why i was worried about it if so probly because it wasnt right you need further explanation pm me

equal power is fair.. yea there are better cars and all that, but power is power.. I personally don't care about the clamped power deal bc I run 12V and I have done it before and did very well i think, but also with that said I don't think its fair at all to the 18v guys.. They have thousands invested in their batts alone.. In clamped pwr 18v no longer has the advantage.. This will kill the mod classes this year I believe, and super mod for sure..

there also needs to be atleast 1 unlimited class one way or another.. there's one in every other org and its for a reason..

see "p" gets it its all there for everyone to use now you just have to use it. you see alot of people would rather argue and fight with you over whats better to use, and in the end they just "Female dog" about it because they didnt listen in the first place wich is all on them.

if you asked me 0-600 ide say cactus pf600.1/pro d5
i have alwasy been upfront and honest not misleading about what i thought was the best thing out there I was asked back in the summer time by team biguns and gave them my opinion on that i said 8 d5's now thats alot of cash for 8 amps, but your either willing to spend it or not donno what happend but they chose the db drive amp and why 2 of them did well they didnt do great

so all you guys are honestly happy about " investing all these thousands " in amps from one manufacture who builds amps specifically to fit usaci low rated power classes?

THOUSANDS LOL WHO SPENDS THAT

I HAVE A G IN MY AMPS THATS IT

I RECNED MY 15'S TO 18'S SAVED MONEY THERE ASO
AND I REUSED ALOT OF MY Dung Pile FROM THE SDIME.

IS IT EXPENSIVE YES BUT Dung Pile MOST SMOKERS, AND BEER DRINKERS SPEND THIS IN NO TIME THEY JUST DONT REALIZE IT HOBBY'S AND HABBITS COST MONEY

What happened to USACi and its competitors trying to work in a direction that grows the sport? If anything, most of this discussion has turned the few people we have left away from competing. I'm starting to see why Ralph didn't want member meetings in the past.

MR SIBLEY I HAVE A ? FOR YOU AND YOUR EE BACKGROUND NOW SAY WE DO GO TO CLAMP AND USING THE IMPEDANCE RISE AS OUR INDICATING FACTOR AS THE POWER WE SHOULD BE HAVING

IS THERE A WAY TO MUNIPULATE THIS SYSTEM??????????????????

WELL IF YOU HAVE AMPS THAT WILL RUN STRAPPED AT .25 YOU WILL BE OK IF YOU DONT RISE ALOT THEN YOUR AT AN ADVANTAGE ALREADY SO WHATS REALLY GOING ON IS NOT THE FACT THAT AMPS ARE MAKING TO MUCH POWER BUT SOME THINK YOU CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO DECREASE RISE TO USE THE MAX POTENTIAL POWER AT YOUR DISPOSAL AT LOWER IMP RISE.

EXAMPLE

500@4/1000@2/2000@1
500@4/1000@2/2000@4/4000@.5/8K@.25

NOW SOME WILL GO YEAH RIGHT AMPS WONT DO THAT BUT YOUR WRONG I USED AMPS IN 2006 FOR 0-1000 IN MY CRX THAT WERE STRAPPER AT .25 ON 18V AND PLAYED JUST FINE

sanman wrote:

THOUSANDS LOL WHO SPENDS THAT

I HAVE A G IN MY AMPS THATS IT

I RECNED MY 15'S TO 18'S SAVED MONEY THERE ASO
AND I REUSED ALOT OF MY Dung Pile FROM THE SDIME.

IS IT EXPENSIVE YES BUT Dung Pile MOST SMOKERS, AND BEER DRINKERS SPEND THIS IN NO TIME THEY JUST DONT REALIZE IT HOBBY'S AND HABBITS COST MONEY

not everyone can or wants to buy d5s from steve.. or can for that price.. or 1400 bucks for treos... i was just quoting everyone complaining about all the spent money they are out of if things went this way.. which they wont.. so it dont matter..

we ran the cactus in kevins car at .125 rising to .375, so they should workd strapped at .25 on 12v at least, also i know your talking bout the 20's i think, maybe the 200's, but i used to run my 20's at .167 strapped, 12 v of course

As i have said, i like the idea for the purpose of allowing amps to be used that people dont use now because of a high 4 ohm rating. I also HOPEFULLY to help bring in new blood. I like the idea of being able to run a bigger amp in a smaller class as long as you dont "break out" Just for the option for people to change classes and not sell buy sell buy sell. I however, do not want to see anyone get moved up a class because of what they currently run or labled as a... i wont go there..
The 16-18v part of this kinda sucks. People run 18v when rules allow for the advantage.

The same power in my truck will never touch the same power in a rex. How is making everyone use the power taking away the advantage? The rex would be the big advantage...not the ohm load on the subs.

Leave things as they are, or make everything fair and ban loud vehicles. That way I can set a world record in 0-600 with a 149 dB run in 2010 with my regular cab truck.

Is there a hidden agenda? lol

so by that standard there should be a class for JUST crx's rather than having them in stock class, or prostock? since they are easy to get pressure in that is an unfair advantage.

sanman wrote:

MR SIBLEY I HAVE A ? FOR YOU AND YOUR EE BACKGROUND NOW SAY WE DO GO TO CLAMP AND USING THE IMPEDANCE RISE AS OUR INDICATING FACTOR AS THE POWER WE SHOULD BE HAVING

IS THERE A WAY TO MUNIPULATE THIS SYSTEM??????????????????

U know the answer to this

Flamed97 wrote:

so by that standard there should be a class for JUST crx's rather than having them in stock class, or prostock? since they are easy to get pressure in that is an unfair advantage.

Tell some of the guys that have been testing and testing for 3+years with their CRX how "easy" they are to get loud.

im a post whore.........