Lets Discuss rationaly some of the things up on board RULES

First topic message reminder :

Here is what ive gotten so far and still need some input on here for Ralph to see or hear.

1 first rumor was clamped classes well here is skippy on that.

Okay so one of the rumors about clamped classesis a rumor it will beclamped at regional and finals to make sure amps are right not to determine classes... So i like that idea as long as it doesn't add 3 hours to the show and usaci has the man power to do it... Good job and effort.. Only thing is cheaters will find a way to hide an amp you cant clamp im sure cheaters will always figure a way...
2 the other harsh rumor was no more prostock.

IT IS A RUMOR . It will be allowed to remove panels in ext cab trucks as well as back seat so they can play as long as below window line.... Thats kewl too should also mae it to where vans with half walls can join too..... Good in my book as well

3. Is that they are not going to have unlimitted anymore .... grrrr


VOICE OPINIONS AND OR COMMENTS THANKS

What ever happened to going to the members meeting .. if you don't go should u have a complaint ... NO IMHO

CORRECT I KNOW THE ANSWER TO MY ? TO MR SIBLEY BUT THOUGHT I WOULD ASK

HIDDEN AGENDA YES

IF THIS HAPPENS I WILL COME ON HERE AND TELL EVERYONE HOW TO GET BY WITH THINGS, AND HOW TO USE THEM TO THERE ADVANTAGE SO THERE WILL BE NO UNFARENESS GOING ON BECAUSE FOR THOS ECALLING FOR THINGS TO BE FARE THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE THEM UNFARE TO THERE ADVANTAGE WHILE DRAWING IN MORE COMPANIES TO USACI BY MAKING PEOPLE THINK THYE CAN BE COMPETITIVE NOW WITH WHAT EVER AMP THEY USAE SPARKING INTEREST IN MANUFACTURORS.

MORE MANU'S COMING BACK TO USACI IS A GREAT THING, BUT 90% OF THE COMETITORS CANT SEE WHATS GOING ON HERE

DARVILLE LET ME TELL YOU LIKE THIS IF IT WAS ECONOMICAL TO GO 5 fornicating DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD ALOT OF PEOPLE THERE SO DONT COME ON HERE AND JUDGE ANY HARD WORKING AMERICAN FOR NOT SHOWING UP DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON. THIS IS WHY I DIDNT MAKE IT ON SAT, SEEMS THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT GO ON IN USACI IS AT THE MOST INOPERTUNE TIMES.

ALSO I THINK WE ARE PAYING MEMBERS OF USACI SO OUR OPINIONS ARE ALWAYS VALUED TURD

USACI MD wrote:

What ever happened to going to the members meeting .. if you don't go should u have a complaint ... NO IMHO

Your so absolutly right ... And honestly doesn't suprise me one bit you just said that..... Funny thing is you will have fun saying that when you are only one in the parking lot at your next show.....IMHO




I understand that but the meeting have never everchanged shitt and it is just to shut up all the whinnners that lose and want things changed.... And gives yall peace for one sec.... I call BS on that one D. Sorry


Im here ill stay but yall will see yup its your call but rememberthat when you see the results thats all ...

i agree to diagree on that , yes i went but only a 2+ hour drive , for me , also some have family plans , or work , not trying to be arguemenative but think everyone has a voice and should be heard , BUT that being said voice your opinion not be a "Female dog" . post positive things not negative sht

Do i have a right too.....LOL Darville Your Right Sir... I wont soon forget that qoute

Why was the meeting not held at Finals where u already have everyone in one place.

Put the Dung Pile on the net where everyone can have a say. How many people do u think was going to show up? Only the 1 in close proximity.

Come on now Kumar there was 3 spl and 24 sq or some count likethat...... So thats alot isn't it thats enough to change a whole organization isn't it? Ohhhhhh did i say that my bad .. CARRY ON..



Really now lets see if we can come up with some reasons good reasons why not to do this and list them.. Maybe the MAIN guy is still listening.... Im sure he will look fri to see if we came up with a solution or not...

ShowB wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

usac needs to find a way to have consistent judging across the board. for example; can a sb1 car run all 5 sb classes at the same show? because when I was chasing points, i wasnt alowed, but if a show was too small, then it would be suggested by a judge that i do run more that 1 sb class. which is it? are we going to be clamping in texas, but rating up north?

I know none of your post are aimed at me, right? If so let me know...lol

As far as running several SB classes you can run either SB1, SB2 or SB3 (depending on which one your allowed by build specs) and SB4 and/or SB5. You can not run any more than that according to Ralph and the rules.

not at you......in general look at most all colorodo shows in 09. sb out the wazoo same names. all classes.

TAMU wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

I dont like it.

remember i offered to help you.

help me? i don't even know what you look like, wanna help me? stop fornicating trying to cheat. cmon man how can you defend woofers in front of the b pillar? you know better that that. i don't think you will get any support on that one there buddy. i never mentioned you trying to block my camera. that means you knew damn well what you were doing. dont come to me with any sort of trying to justify cheating by offering me help. i would refuse your help anyway. a cheater is a liar and I keep better company than that.

dbdaddy wrote:

ShowB wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

usac needs to find a way to have consistent judging across the board. for example; can a sb1 car run all 5 sb classes at the same show? because when I was chasing points, i wasnt alowed, but if a show was too small, then it would be suggested by a judge that i do run more that 1 sb class. which is it? are we going to be clamping in texas, but rating up north?

I know none of your post are aimed at me, right? If so let me know...lol

As far as running several SB classes you can run either SB1, SB2 or SB3 (depending on which one your allowed by build specs) and SB4 and/or SB5. You can not run any more than that according to Ralph and the rules.

not at you......in general look at most all colorodo shows in 09. sb out the wazoo same names. all classes.

If you qualiy for SB1 u can run them all

dbdaddy wrote:

TAMU wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

I dont like it.

remember i offered to help you.

help me? i don't even know what you look like, wanna help me? stop fornicating trying to cheat. cmon man how can you defend woofers in front of the b pillar? you know better that that. i don't think you will get any support on that one there buddy. i never mentioned you trying to block my camera. that means you knew damn well what you were doing. dont come to me with any sort of trying to justify cheating by offering me help. i would refuse your help anyway. a cheater is a liar and I keep better company than that.

first off how do you knw he block your camera if you dont know what he looks like.... hes the big black guy with knee sock..... second off i was the one who blocked your camera... i was standing there and caught u out of the corner of my eye trying to take a pic of his set up with out asking..

he tried to cheat without asking

well if you have a problem with him eamil pm text him buy him a bucket of chicken.... call him but dont post stupid Dung Pile about that on here...... apparently there is some bad blood between u 2... or you wouldnt be so upset by him.... if are really that upset and u feel that hes a cheater protest him at the next show....

dbdaddy wrote:

he tried to cheat without asking

if you are going to cheat y would u ask????? lol

look man, im over all that. hell i feel i was cheated in one of my own classes and im done crying. i couldnt even pick tamu out of a line up. nothing personal at all. my beef was with the car. not even the car, my problem was this. a woofer at all was to be alowed infront of the b pillar ever. where is the grey area in that rule? if judges cant enforce that seemingly simple rule, which apperently needs enforcing, can I really be epected to believe that judge error in clamping wont be an issue. i dont even care if they clamp or not. i have a realetively small amount of power compared to the next guy anyway. i was just voicing a concern. i think an organization as big as usaci needs to have better, more consistant, mabey even certified and tested judges. i just find it hard to believe that any judge would say "yeah, thats legal" and thats that. can I put a woofer on the dash pointing at the b&k mic. exactly how many inches more could ya'll have gone forward before even yall called it too far? see how there is no number? thats cause the b pillar is the end of the road. nothing new. been that way since i burned up my first costumers car.

IMHO A MEETING FOR ALL MEMBERS SHOULD BE AT FINALS. NOT 30 HOURS AWAY FROM COMPETITORS LIKE ME. HOLD IT AT FINALS OR ONLINE. THIS IS USACIS FORUM THIS STUFF SHOULD BE AND WILL BE DISCUSSED HERE. DO WE NOT MATTER????????????

Alan wrote:

so all you guys are honestly happy about " investing all these thousands " in amps from one manufacture who builds amps specifically to fit usaci low rated power classes?

uh you can get a d9 for 889 shipped from steve. how much is a t40001bd? a crossfire 4000? a kicker zx2500? a stetsom 4k2d? really any big amp rated for usaci or not is exspensive. so either way if you run big power your spending big money.

if your going to do this right....you should.....Have the 2010 rules changed and done at the start of the 2010 season.....give the rules out at finals then there is no of the what ifs.....Ralph this is your boat and it should be what you think is the best for the sport.....like Bob Sugar said " its not show friends, its show business" . im down either way....but I have to get started building NOW so im going by the current 11-25-09 rules......

rd s10 wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

TAMU wrote:

dbdaddy wrote:

I dont like it.

remember i offered to help you.

help me? i don't even know what you look like, wanna help me? stop fornicating trying to cheat. cmon man how can you defend woofers in front of the b pillar? you know better that that. i don't think you will get any support on that one there buddy. i never mentioned you trying to block my camera. that means you knew damn well what you were doing. dont come to me with any sort of trying to justify cheating by offering me help. i would refuse your help anyway. a cheater is a liar and I keep better company than that.

first off how do you knw he block your camera if you dont know what he looks like.... hes the big black guy with knee sock..... second off i was the one who blocked your camera... i was standing there and caught u out of the corner of my eye trying to take a pic of his set up with out asking..

pics are gonna be taken without permission bc ppl see what they think will impresse their friends.. thats that.. But I do agree if u have beef with Tamu u need to keep it to pms..

And to darville.. U know I love ya man, but I talked to Josh like 2 weeks before the meeting and explained my situation.. I wanted to be there, but I'm waiting on my son to arrive. If that's not a good enough reason to miss I dunno what is.. If my voice/money don't mean nothing to USACi then I guess I'm in the wrong spot..

If ever theres been a post that needed it I feel its this one...

I FARTED

Trick daddy I don't know If I'd mention burning up a car g that wouldn't b good lol

Let me ask this how many people emailed things in to be brought up? I think Jenissa had 1 or 2 ... Next call me if you don't like what I say all but 2 or 3 people don't have my number, I am not hard to call !!!! Happy thanksgiving.

well darville you came in here attacking people and insulting them because they couldnt make it to the meeting so the one who should call or pm people is you an official of usaci who is suppose to be professional

ok. now i have a hiden agenda? there are always going to be ways to cheat jeff in any format. there are also easy ways to police alot of things.most people all bent out of shape without acually thinking about it from an outside perspective. no matter what meter is used, your competitor is on the same meter at the same show so guess what, if you go over so does he.honestly, im done talking about it. everyone wants to quit cause they cant have a huge amp in lower classes. whatever makes you feel better about yourself. i personlly just thought the power and scores are getting rediculous for the amount of power your SUPPOSED to have. now im not picking on you jeff, but im sure you'll think i am, but pinky did a 161 or so with 2 pd 2000.1s and a 163 with 2 rd d5s yet both amps are rated at 500ws?i only use this because i know the test results. the 2 pds actually had more batts also. im just saying lets keep it real with some of this power is all. its getting out of hand. most of the top guys are still gonna be on top, it'll just be alot cheaper now and open up for manufacturers. THATS IT! noone will ever be dqed for too much power. either they will be placed in the proper clas or score doesnt count if its a rerun. whats so hard about that. and i call bs in the .375 reactive load, but if you can get that then more power to you. you have no worries about going over.

and jimbo, the ban was if you got caught cheating(hiding amps or running dummy amps type situation but it was just a suggestion.)

well pd2000's arent built like the 4.1 or the d5 or even the 200.1 so your correct it wouldnt yeild the same score, and you blew alot of them up because you tried to acheive this advantage like we all do its called squeezing the most out of your amp you can aint thats whats this is all about. I paid for my d5 what most paid for there pd2000's 34 years ago so is it really getting more expensive.

well ill also say this where you had the an tested and setup for this or that I dont and that was nomore evident than at the show this past weekend when you asked if i was going to leave the seat in that position and i said ypu thats the loudest and you said huh must be because you had more power probly so wich means i have tested the Dung Pile out of that van when i started i had the amps ran at the same .25 and was at a 161.9 not a 163 and that show was the first time I had seen that number. hell up to 3 days before that show the best i had seen was a 162.5 but the night before the show i wasnt at home drinking a beer or at the fornicating strip club like most would be but I was at my local shop on a meter testing the Dung Pile out of the van again.

moral of the story like kumar has been saying hard work and tgesting pays off why cant people see that.

i am not a builder i wont lie about that at all but what i do is make the things I buy louder thats my skill set liek it or not it is what it is

Charsle I think people are more upset that your opinion on what we should do seems to be stronger than theres is 1 against many man think about it just because you were there I dont buy that at all

lol. so we can put my equipment back in pinky and its louder cause you bought it?lol the reason i believe he takes my opinion over everyones at this point is because yes, i was there. i drove the 6hrs and sat there with him and a room full of people and explained my ideas and had an itelligent conversation about it from most points and i told that everyone was gonna hate it that ran these amps and guess what, they do. i really dont care if we do or dont do this. it was just an idea. doesnt effect me either way. i dont pay for my equipment. im actually doing this for the sake of others and it makes sense to me and most.and i belive you only lost .1 flipping the seat and it was on a second burp without a charge so dont pat yourself on the back too much,lol.