Lets Discuss rationaly some of the things up on board RULES

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Here is what ive gotten so far and still need some input on here for Ralph to see or hear.

1 first rumor was clamped classes well here is skippy on that.

Okay so one of the rumors about clamped classesis a rumor it will beclamped at regional and finals to make sure amps are right not to determine classes... So i like that idea as long as it doesn't add 3 hours to the show and usaci has the man power to do it... Good job and effort.. Only thing is cheaters will find a way to hide an amp you cant clamp im sure cheaters will always figure a way...
2 the other harsh rumor was no more prostock.

IT IS A RUMOR . It will be allowed to remove panels in ext cab trucks as well as back seat so they can play as long as below window line.... Thats kewl too should also mae it to where vans with half walls can join too..... Good in my book as well

3. Is that they are not going to have unlimitted anymore .... grrrr


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Then leave it alone.. I guess we just wait and see.
I am sure that moving finals around is not helping either. but thats just like this, people will cry about the location every year.

SQcrewcab wrote:

Then leave it alone.. I guess we just wait and see.
I am sure that moving finals around is not helping either. but thats just like this, people will cry about the location every year.

maybe dual locations ? and ill leave you alone!!!!

you can bug me all day sugar..

finals to me can be anywhere just pick a place a stick with it i drove 24 hours for finals last year and to the last 2 finals of over 25 to me any where closer to the east coast would be nice even a few hours of less driving would be nice LOL.

you wanna make it easy on the newbs, simply make it where the stock class is just that, newbs, no shop built CRX's no multiple year stock competitors, it seems i remember a time where only the first year you could be an amature?????? or have i just had to much to drink?

either way, you wanna give it a shot in the arm so to speak, let stock stay to the beginners THEN if they do well and win make them move up to prostock or mod, which is just fair, i mean hell if i one person dominated the class for years, or with multiple cars in different classes for years, why WOULD new competitors come back????????

Well off subject sononoooooofabitch. Me and steve gonna need to have a talk cause I paid 600 a piece and I was told don't say shhit I can see why now ! All I can say is I guess I got fukkkked and I went from free Dung Pile to getting fukkked now with this new clamp crap Ima get fukkked again. Woooooohoooooo... Guess this is my karma for leaving Db drive...

I would say does anyone wanna buy 3 d5's but I guess I got some strong paperweights instead. Nothing to do with current rulings but I think I just don't have it in me anymore I think after our dec show It may be in my best interest to retire for a bit !!! Right now I say fukk all manufacturers on tha real

same here.

Tell you what this isnt going to work if you dont have people at every show to clamp right, each clamp used per show calibrated within a 2 tenth tolerance and using the same model clamp an dmm, further more none of the waiting around all day to make your run crap, sorry alot of people cant sit there all day waitin on results when they have a 5hr drive back home and expect to make it to work. The lack of results on here adds to the problem, if you drive 5hrs home you should be able to see the results to know what you did as far as place and points, if you cant then why even keep trying? If you make it more confusing for people your going to drive people away and not bring in more talent. Also how about a starter SB class where you bring what you got hands down that simple under the window line limited on batts etc basically a consumer class If you have been to finals for sb you cant do this class it would be geared towards newbies gettin their feet wet and have a HZ limit like say 30-50hz and its the average taken over that freq range

I like the sb consumer class idea, you would have to prove your a local though cuz just like always people will be trying to cheat, and then it wont be any fun, I really think alot of focus needs to go to the new crowd we are trying to get to join with no growth there will be no usaci. New people is whats going to drive biz so you have to almost cater to the newbies not our old tired asses

You would have to figure out a way to bring back excitment to usaci. Instead of all this frkin whining holy crap man its old already

All this freaking whinning so NOW YOUR Okay with clamped power???? Guesss charles talked to ya and showed you the way of seeing it his way.....LOL I feel its worth all the bitching my bad

simply put if you go with the clamp idea, thats just more crap the newbie has to buy, with the sb consumer class you dont have to buy anything extra you run what you have, what you play daily basically your daily driver, NORMAL DAILY drivers (non competitors) dont rock 4 18s in walls etc, nor does your average person pull up to a shop in a crx askin for a box and subs to be competitive in stock 0-600 thats obvious. Take the normal kid that comes into a shop and wants somthin normally its a pre-faG box with a pair of 10s or 12s an a amp, that will play music pretty well, no way in hell does that compare to a guy with 8batteries-4 huge amps-an heavy duty subs thats just not ideal in the normal consumer world. make it harder on rules then, nobody that has been to finals to compete is allowed in the class, and its simple to police really You can divide it into basic and extreme sb consumer classes. If ralph or any other big wigs are interested I wrote it down on paper and it makes a ton of sense and I tested the idea out by asking locals and they love the idea, so if locals love the idea, chances are they will be enticed to try it out a time or 2.

ha jimbo looks like me and you paid alittle to much for the D5

so me being with rd about 2 years longer doesnt account for pricing comem on jimbo were your pd2000's free like charlses or did you pay for them

ha jimbo pm me with a price for those D5

lol i aint paid for my amps yet haha jokes on yall

but seriousely some with a caclulator add this Dung Pile up for me ok

9 d9's
4 3250's
2 d5's

10 h.w. 15" recones
4 h.w. 15's
3 h.w. 18 recones/baskets
1 h.w. 18.

just kidding jeff you have all the right to get the best price you can when you spend that much money with company.

not really man i dont see it that way was just saying i have a little more lead way that some but not alot trust me lol

Let's see regional events = no more then 5 events, finals well 1 " these would be the only events that would have clamp verification" IF WE EVEN DO IT!!!!!

que the circus music.

didnt i just read ralph said its not happenin

so the directors are split in half on what they think about this huh

darville for it

jaffe/derose aposed

show b??????

Did I say it enough times?


EXPERIMENTING TO SEE IF IT IS VIABLE OR NOT....

Maybe someone will get the point


EXPERIMENTING TO SEE IF IT IS VIABLE OR NOT....

USACI's leadership, despite the ratings and ravings on the forum and assertions by people who have no clue, HAS NOT ADOPTED NOR IS PLANNING TO ADOPT CLAMPING!


ralphs words darville let it go bro

what would be the point in clamping part of the time? That just throws crap off man.

No jeff I got everything no cost at Db then left them and started paying for equiptment. And yes u have more seniority with steve and deserve it!! No biggie I was just in shock bro that's all

sanman wrote:

didnt i just read ralph said its not happenin

so the directors are split in half on what they think about this huh

darville for it

jaffe/derose aposed

show b??????

I said No too

well to start off, fornicate YOU JEFF SANFORD. this was never ever about kumar or who built his vehicle nor was it about my ego. you'll never make me think less of myself. im the same cocky,confident,overly competitve person whether i take 1st or 15th! i am sick of hearing you try to put some personal twist on this and make it seem like im out to get kumar and steve. im not! this was is and always will be about keeping this realistic. your "Female dog" ass is just scared to run equal power and get your ass whooped cause you couldnt buy another title. now this was never personal with you until i read your comments. you want to make it personal ill more than obligue you. and if you want to keep pointing out specifics about who beat me and rowland beating biguns score. read the rule book! neither of those vans should have never been allowed in mod according to the rules! NO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES and both of them are cargo vans with ibeam frames for extra support. i dont cry about Dung Pile if i get beat. i go back to the garage and work. this was never about me in anyway shape or form. this affected the dbdrive,treo,rd,hifonics,rockford,pyramid,etc....i dont care if they do this or not. i just think these amps are taking advantage of this system way to much.thats all it was.

i never said you was out to get kumar what i said is you cant handle the fact his van did 166 in the lanes on his outlaw record run with the 200.1's and you dont wanna see it on the d5's so go after them is they way i see and im not the only one.

you came to me with him against bigun as an exampl like him having about 24k watts in that class was an outrageouse thing when bigun only had 22 this was your words as well not mine bro cus me all ya want i can handle the words if you didnt want it all out there you should never had said this to me at ll.

funny thing is there are some in mod now catching all you previouse repeat winners wich you aint one of them im speaking of and instead of playing the way we have you have to come up with ways to handicap it all like you did. run it the way we have been and see whats up because you asked for prostock guys to jump to mad and its happening you asked you received not only that you sold me tha van to do it with call me a bitchass lol your funny

amps have been taking advantage of it for years, but you all the sudden wanna see it changed to funny to me man

next reply mr estes

i retract previouse statements i guess it is personal between us to (now)

Truly sad I think we all have intentions of trying to make Usaci a better place to compete Its sad we can't work together better to achieve the common goal. I hope you guys work out your differences and can shake hands after it's all done