2010 Classes

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Ok, 2009 was an awsome year. With that behind us, the next question is will the classes be changing for 2010?

na cone is to close to db drag

this may be totally off base, but yes a true competitor will spend the money to get competative, but, what about those people who just want to test the waters of the sport. I know i started out in street beat with a damn ebay amp, and 2 cheap ass subs. yes i did win my class at local shows, But this was a daily driver, that i listend to every day. Not a burp box put in a car with no highs. So what i am saying is that yes the local class may work but there has to be advertising done for this stuff. Yes i Know it is expensive but how else is anyone going to know that there is a comp coming up. Cause if they dont hang out on here or in the host store they will never know.

Leave Mod and SB the way it is. They were the best at finals. 1 port war class, SM open and change stock class rating (0-500,501-1000 etc)to match mod..

hell they can do 0-1000 2 amps 1001-2000 4 amps and 2000 to 4000 6 amps who needs a open power class

Then again, leave Dung Pile the same. Give some people time to complete their incomplete projects. Changing things will cause some not to go out and buy equipment and leave the sport...

this is true why fix something that isnt broken.... there isnt a problem with the class.... but with that said it only makes since to combine 1800-3k and 3k plus...

Not enough participation in classes anymore, I say combine them :p

I say do trunk 0-100 that will be less expensive.

lollololololol

people build for the classes the see....when you change the give up...so leave it alone and lets see what happens

street beat cars should have a spare tire and a jack.

there could be sb legal. call it street beat when its raining.

I thought about it, and things need to stay the same for at least 1 year, and all need to focus on running a tight ship.

dbdaddy wrote:

street beat cars should have a spare tire and a jack.

hell i had a jack and spare tire in mine

Got one... Eliminate stock

replace with mod and stock sb class

Moonie wrote:

people build for the classes the see....when you change the give up...so leave it alone and lets see what happens

Exactly

Twisted Image wrote:

I thought about it, and things need to stay the same for at least 1 year, and all need to focus on running a tight ship.

yes sir

We need a class for "Not loud" I would own that class lol

My problem is simply that unless you dump a ton of money into your setup then its not worth attempting to compete(just like db drag). I have had a lot of locals roll to some local shows, and they liked usaci and wanted to get into it. Then they find out if you don't do a 160 you should not worry about leaving your local area. With the current state of the economy and decreasing number of people who attend shows. I would say something needs to be done. Ralph all though he is a good guy has ignored "new" people for years and always falls victim to peer pressure of those who have been around for a while.

Well this is were it got him, maybe now he should rethink the "new blood" theory and figure out how to get new people in the game. If new people don't come in, do you think any of us will have a show to go to in the future? I know many of you work hard in stock class, but this keeps many people from competing. Many see the high numbers and there is no point. The same people have been on top in stock classes since I left the last time and they are still there today. All though this is "their class" it keeps people from joining. Why should they when they have to spend a few thousand more to be even a little competitive.

Flame me if you wish, but as always "new blood" needs to come in to keep the shows going and increase attendance. 90% of the stock class is ran with people who have run it for several years and have became a "pro" at what they do. Does a new guy stand a chance..nope.

shows are one thing and finals is another.

shows are for you retailers to host to get people in your area to come out nad have a great time while having some veterans show up and impress them.In other words buisness.

finals is for 1 thing and 1 thing only for those in the class to get togather ans see who the loudest is.

you should coach and mentor the newbies accordingly meaning explain to them upfront in the beginning hey you might be loud around town, but if you wanna really do usaci this is what ya need to work towards. You see the scores arent the issue even though getting louder each and every year they put in work boiiiiiiiii, and most newb's just arent willing to put that work in to accomplish what they seek and thats a chance to say they are the loudest in there respected class.
stop doggin on the ones still here and keeping this thing going.

I'm in now way dogging on people. I understand what your saying, but from a business aspect of USACI that is a bad choice of ethics. If there is not a class for people to get their feet wet, then Usaci will continue to go in the direction it has been. If you do not see this, then you should open your eyes just a bit more and take a more "open" look from a broad. I think you need vet's to keep it going for sure, but "kids" are the future vets. Finals is a place for those who are loudest to compete yes. However, if you give the "newbs" a chance with a class at finals then they are more likely to come back the following year.

Combining stock/prostock and then opening a new class for new people is key. Making the top 5 at finals move on to the new "stock/pro" classes. This would give all the guys a place to play and not take much if anything to adjust systems.

getting your feet wet is easy man, but if these kids(newbs) dont think they have a chance in winning they quit this is why they are called the nintendo age if its not easy just quit. they need more work ethic if thats the case because this is not suppose to be easy thats why its called competition. I seen 2 newbs at finals this year well groumed, and mentored by some vets 1 is a world champion, and the other took 2nd placeto an s10 while using a crx wich is a awsome job imho.

the real issue is not enough veterans are doing exactly this.

you do not structure classes towards those that cant get it done or you will have a bunch of newbs that arestillpissed off because 2-3 are stilllouder than they are.

please tell me how you plan to police the newb classes

The first year is tough to get straight, but in the end it would be if you are in the "newb" class. You place top 5 at finals then you move out of that class. If you competed more then 2 years in the newb class you move on(finals and not top 5).

I understand that you think it takes away from the sport, but in reality it feeds the sport. In the business world you have to weigh out your options. Do you piss off a few vets off by giving new people a place to play, by doing so helping ensure Usaci will be around for a while. Or do you cave a few more years to the vets and not worry about new people and maybe put Usaci in a bad or worse spot then its currently at.

It's not about one person nor is it about making people happy. Its about Ralph and his bottom dollar. He has to secure his future, and that means insuring Usaci stays up and running even after you leave. This means he has to keep younger people interested or its a sinking ship.

Getting their feet wet by allowing them a class on there own is a huge step in the right direction. The idea is to get them bit by the bug and push them to spend more money later(sponsors may come back for finals) and to pull their friends in.

So Usaci has a class were a 150 is loud again. So what. They will get a first hand look at what they will be up against next year. Thus no BS of attempting to spend thousands right off the bat and turning many people away because of that.

This is basic business ethics. Rule of thumb is always keep an eye on the future. Vets are here and they will be for a while. Guess what, if Ralph changes the rules in your class you will rebuild or move classes to accommodate yourself better. So you will be here, what about the kid down the road that works at Mcdonalds? You think he is throwing down $700+ on one amp? Thus Ralph is loosing possible income by not having a class like that.

I know it's about the competition but to Ralph it is $$. This is his business and this would help it grow. Why would anyone vet or not be apposed to having Usaci grow and maybe have shows as it once did.

you seem to be expressing alot of 2nd hand feelings from ralph here and please help me out your name is?????


newbs place top 5 and move up lol so 1 year and placing top 5 out of 6 makes you able to compete on a higher level now your contradicting yourself aint ya. I mean a new has his or her own devision to compete in where there is 6 people in it, and now they have to move up because they lucked out on placing. Your kinda confusing here trying to play a double edged sword aint ya

Reflecting wrote:

The first year is tough to get straight, but in the end it would be if you are in the "newb" class. You place top 5 at finals then you move out of that class. If you competed more then 2 years in the newb class you move on(finals and not top 5).

I understand that you think it takes away from the sport, but in reality it feeds the sport. In the business world you have to weigh out your options. Do you piss off a few vets off by giving new people a place to play, by doing so helping ensure Usaci will be around for a while. Or do you cave a few more years to the vets and not worry about new people and maybe put Usaci in a bad or worse spot then its currently at.

It's not about one person nor is it about making people happy. Its about Ralph and his bottom dollar. He has to secure his future, and that means insuring Usaci stays up and running even after you leave. This means he has to keep younger people interested or its a sinking ship.

Getting their feet wet by allowing them a class on there own is a huge step in the right direction. The idea is to get them bit by the bug and push them to spend more money later(sponsors may come back for finals) and to pull their friends in.

So Usaci has a class were a 150 is loud again. So what. They will get a first hand look at what they will be up against next year. Thus no BS of attempting to spend thousands right off the bat and turning many people away because of that.

This is basic business ethics. Rule of thumb is always keep an eye on the future. Vets are here and they will be for a while. Guess what, if Ralph changes the rules in your class you will rebuild or move classes to accommodate yourself better. So you will be here, what about the kid down the road that works at Mcdonalds? You think he is throwing down $700+ on one amp? Thus Ralph is loosing possible income by not having a class like that.

I know it's about the competition but to Ralph it is $$. This is his business and this would help it grow. Why would anyone vet or not be apposed to having Usaci grow and maybe have shows as it once did.

well thats not true dude i work at mcdonalds i got a world title and 2 runner ups... 2 kids a house payment, car note and alot of other bills and i but the equipment..... they should have a class to play in htats why they came out with local.... i dont think they should add any more class for a national level.... but the kid that works at mcdonalds can go play in local a b c d

The specifics would have to be worked on of course. I'm just rambling ideas. However, you are simply attacking them for what reason? Usaci HAS to do something like this. They have needed to for some time. I'm not sure how that point is not clear. You go to shows, you see the number of people there.

Why be so apposed to an idea with no regard for the person that makes it possible? Be the vet you say you are and help create something for others and not worry about other vets. Why not set an example and attempt to fix what is wrong with the classes.

Would it really hurt to attempt this for a few years to see the response? Would it really be that horrible?

The local is/was a great idea. However, allowing them to approach finals would help more then anything. If they do well they are likely to return and will want to do better then before.

Also, allowing a "new" class at finals will get more people to shows they may not have attended before because they didn't need points. Then they would also be coming to finals. Its all about making them WANT to be a larger part. If you can get them into it, they will keep coming back.


Basically it be like a local setup but a larger scale and they would be at finals.

so wich one is this under a differant name DARVILLE/RALPH since you seem to be wanting to remain secretive ill go ahead and assume its on of those 2 names.

and wrong the events i go to are always full ill name some for ya even.

NW AUDIO fornicating JAM PACKED
KCIR ALWAYS 40 PLUS CARS

TEXAS AY SHOW I GO TO IS ALWAYS PACKED AS WELL.

SO I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM BUT ITS WRONG DUDE.

SINCEYOU THINK IM ATTACKIN YOU WELL I WILL GO AHEAD.
TALKING ABOUT SETTING THE EXAMPLE THEN STAND UP FOR BEING A MAN AND EXPLAIN WHO YOU ARE AS IN REAL NAME THEN MAYBE SOME OF THEM NEWBS WILL THINK YOUR STANDING UP FOR THEM AND THEY HAVE A LEADER TO FOLLOW. THATSSETTING THE EXAMPLE NOT HIDING BEHND A SCREEN NAME TALKING Dung Pile.

ALSO EVERYTHING YOU ARE PROPOSING HAS BEEN DONE, AND THE REASON WE HAVE THE STRUCTURE WE HAVE NOW IS BECAUSE IT DIDNT WORK POINT BLANK. THATS WHY THEY HAD TO SHRINK CLASSES TO FILL THEM, AND THATS PROBLY THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THEY HAVE NOW TO FIX IT ALL.

IF YOU WANNA PLAY BASEBALL DO YOU GO RIGHT TO THE BIG LEAGUES NO YOU GET COACHIN, AND TRAINING ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL AND THEN MOVE UP AS YOU FEEL YOUR READY, OR CALLED UP RIGHT THIS ISNT NO DIFFERANT EXCEPT WE DONT GET PAID TO DO THIS IN FACT WE PAY OUT THE ASS TO DO IT.

I agree completely about needing "practice" and "coaching", but were do they do this. I know this has been done some what before. however, if this is done while putting stock and pro-stock together it may have a different affect then before.

I never said you were attacking me, simply the ideas. At least I am looking at options to assist in keeping Usaci around for years to come. All you do is bash my idea. Why not think about it and look for ways to improve upone one idea or create a new idea?

I'm fine with you attacking me personally. If you attack me then that at least I know your doing that to some one who can take with a grain of salt.

There are shows that get decent turn outs. However, shows as a whole do not. Most shows do not have that great of turn outs anymore. I'm sure that there are a ton of reasons why.

However, that still does not take a way the fact that there is no class for a guy to show up and feel like he is competitive in unless he is very good friends with some one who can at least assist with his build. Some people may not get the assistance they need because of were they are, with out going to larger shows such as finals how do they meet people and become part a part of Usaci?

Also, your analogy of baseball plays into what I'm saying.

Were do they belong? They are not ready to take on guys doing 160+db. So what do they do?