DDM3 Protest Results

zacdavis wrote:

Absolutely,

Cris, how many subs and amplifiers do you think DD sells because they've won in the lanes.....

To think that a company is unaware of the benefits that come with world titles being won with their equipment is just naive.

Zac you of all people have talked to DD and know there ambitions are not to dominate spl...it is to be know for good sounding reliable equipment that puts out what they say it puts out in a real world environment. They are not driven by what we do in the lanes. Period. There ratings are not based on what competitive class they can fit there amps in... we are only a small percetage of sales compared to average consumer sales. I don't know how many more ways I can say it so I give up. Competitors have a distorted view of what these companies set out to do. Competitors think its all about us...it's not, trust me.

lol Samsel ure killing me here so they wanna sound good and be truthfull ok

a z2 is an amp to juts sound good with as well as a z1a man come on now the crap coming out your mouth dont make sence anymore homie you put up a good fight fora company that has done yu well in the past time to let go bro

I see both sides. We make for the general public. We don't make amps that do .25 ohm, gilla watts, etc,ect...BUT, agree people using our equipment is beneficial, and needed in the lanes. DD can't think other wise.
They built an amp that will do a ton of power and handle low impedence. Why do normal kids, (not SPL'ers) need .50 ohm for?

Now, if you build it, "they will come".

DD makes good solid stuff. It does very well in the lanes.
And agree with Ralph, what is DOES in the lanes does add money in their pockets. Us too. IA as well. Cactus,etc,etc

The last time we made stuff like that, was the late 90's, XS amps.

sanman wrote:

lol Samsel ure killing me here so they wanna sound good and be truthfull ok

a z2 is an amp to juts sound good with as well as a z1a man come on now the crap coming out your mouth dont make sence anymore homie you put up a good fight fora company that has done yu well in the past time to let go bro

I was speaking in general terms butthead... of course the z2 was for power only...cmon now. Every company has atleast 1 or 2 geared toward the crazy asses like yourself or myself that have to much maoney to waste on the higher classes. I was not speaking of those amps...but there mainstream everyday kick butt sounding amps.....I'm done going back and forth on this..i've said everything I have to say 10 times over. And now you are taking crap wrong....it ain't worth it.....rerate the darn amp if they want....i don't care...don't run it. I just know it's intentions where not for spl or usaci. It just happened to kick ass in that class...a certain company cried about it and now it could be gone....ah well.

We got our SO FAR. USACI certified amp and that's what we'll be running.....unless some new fricken rule comes out and the go back on those too...LMAO That happens.....see ya later, I'll go racing instead. LOL

Edited it to butthead...jackass was a bit harsh LOL

ill see you tomarrow and we will thumb wrestle ova this jack ass remark lol

I guess we have to see it as a 2 way street. Competitors will always demand a certain product for this hobby. Companies will certainly listen and build a product that suits a certain demand, and charge a arm and a leg for it since it's not a daily high demand.

It looks like the lower classes;0-600,601-1800 are getting slim on amp power.

Which will make it more challenging don't u think?

Canaan wrote:

Just a quick question...alil off the topic though.

How can I get in contact w/ AudioTruth Labs?
(Or for that matter, any place that can correctly test an amp)
I would like to personally send in an amp or 2.

AudioTruth was not able to sustain 14.4 volts so I wouldn't not consider using them.

Cogent Audio Labs is what I would suggest. They are completely independant and not affiliated with any manufacture, so the results are not bias. I know that for a fact. Not only that they were able to test the Rockford monster and yes there power supply is that big! And yes they CAN sustain the right voltage for testing.

Cogent Audio Labs
(480) 892-1981

I am not sure the exact address as I only know how to drive there, lol.

So is the amp getting moved up a class? haven't been on for awhile

did i read somewhere i can still run this amp in 0-600 while usaci decides for sure what to do with the results

UMMMMMMMMM NO ..... I WOULDN'T YA KNOW WHAT SHIT MAYBE YA CAN ...

I think it should be sent back to test at the 30% tolerance as others have been in the past...keep the testing consistent. This would be a much simpler and wiser choice then to try and retest all the other amps at 20%... especially after USACI has already given there seal of approval on the already verified amps and people have bought them trusting that they would have absolutely no future issues with the amp.
Now that being said, if the M3 is sent back it needs to be at 30% tolerance...BUT at 14.4 not 13.8....will it pass at that??? It'll be very close... more tolerance but also more voltage to make more power. Either way, don't care, just make it the correct test.

So I think it should temporarily be able to be used in competition but NOT for world records etc. What ya think? Ralph.....you had a chance to talk to anyone form DD...I know they where waiting for a call from you. Let us know what your thoughts are on the issue please.

well bruce said according to ralph you still could

https://usaci.forumotion.com/for-sale-f7/ddm3-t3222.htm

lol wait a second its ok to go to a show and woop someones ass with it but not ok to use it for a world record Samsel are you friggin getting high or what man

bumpin s-10 wrote:

I think it should be sent back to test at the 30% tolerance as others have been in the past...keep the testing consistent. This would be a much simpler and wiser choice then to try and retest all the other amps at 20%... especially after USACI has already given there seal of approval on the already verified amps and people have bought them trusting that they would have absolutely no future issues with the amp.
Now that being said, if the M3 is sent back it needs to be at 30% tolerance...BUT at 14.4 not 13.8....will it pass at that??? It'll be very close... more tolerance but also more voltage to make more power. Either way, don't care, just make it the correct test.

going back to the 30% is the easiest way to keep it simple...

i agree 30% if an amp is legit run the dog shit out of if of not then dont do it

AGREED.

x2 30% easy fix and if the b+k is at this show in june I will be using it

bumpin s-10 wrote:

I think it should be sent back to test at the 30% tolerance as others have been in the past...keep the testing consistent. This would be a much simpler and wiser choice then to try and retest all the other amps at 20%... especially after USACI has already given there seal of approval on the already verified amps and people have bought them trusting that they would have absolutely no future issues with the amp.
Now that being said, if the M3 is sent back it needs to be at 30% tolerance...BUT at 14.4 not 13.8....will it pass at that??? It'll be very close... more tolerance but also more voltage to make more power. Either way, don't care, just make it the correct test.

x2

be a hell of alot easier than retestin all the previously protested amps under the 20% rule......

going into this thing if everyone knows the amps can be 30% over... i dont see how changing it to 20% evens it up anymore....they are always going to push tha limits thats just compitition. so whether everyone is pushing it to 120% or 130%, it's the same.... so why not leave it under the original guidline that seems to really be the fairest way to do it.....

Agreed

help me out on this one..


Why does it need to be sent back? cant Usaci just give it the 30% rating?

30%

USACI wrote:

30%

So the M3 is legit?

Greg McCool wrote:

USACI wrote:

30%

So the M3 is liget?

x2

USACI wrote:

30%

so is the M3 legit for 0-600 or not ???????

everyone was complaining about the testing precedures, about it not being 14.4 like it was supposed to and not 30% like it used too, i bet they won't complain about the voltage being 13.8 anymore lmfao. i heard a few people say ohh. thats probably only like 4 watts differance anyway, i bet its more like 44. but thats fine, i'll use it, i bet my car would do more than 53.5 legal it did with the 20.1

so will mine lol