DDM3 Protest Results

Canaan wrote:

charlesestes wrote:

well dds euro site should shed some light on this situation and should be banned just like atomic for knowingly underating their amps. records should be stripped as well if anyone used this amp to set any records. i know jess and steve personally and they are both great guys, but someone changed these ratings fora reason and noone is telling us why so we are left to think the worst here unfortunately.

Not to be an ass, but if this is the case...shouldn't Kicker also be banned for the kx1200.1? It was knowingly underrated. And I have seen 750.1 birthsheets in the 900w+ range.

There has to be some common ground we can all find here.
If it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass. But the DD rating change came during the that 30% over was allowable.

I would like to see at least 2 random amps tested whenever reratings occur.
This would give a more realistic picture of what the amps can actually do.

KX1200 passed.

also, 750.1 is a 06 and 08 amplifier, and while it does overrated, (750@2 ohm) customer gets 900 at 2 ohm, that's 2 ohm, not 4 ohm rating.

USACI wrote:

bumpin s-10 wrote:

I personally will not buy or suggest any use amps that are not rated by usaci. It just isn't worth this crap. I'm sure Cactus is happy...the top amp in the class has now been knocked off....hmmm wonder what the next best amp will be??? Cactus? Fly in just under the limit and be "the amp to have".

USACI has offered to test and rate amps and "CERTIFY" them for use. Not one manufacturer has taken us up on the offer.

Looks Like it's time for them to start huh???

bumpin s-10 wrote:

USACI wrote:

bumpin s-10 wrote:

I personally will not buy or suggest any use amps that are not rated by usaci. It just isn't worth this crap. I'm sure Cactus is happy...the top amp in the class has now been knocked off....hmmm wonder what the next best amp will be??? Cactus? Fly in just under the limit and be "the amp to have".

USACI has offered to test and rate amps and "CERTIFY" them for use. Not one manufacturer has taken us up on the offer.

Looks Like it's time for them to start huh???

I agree.

hey ralph a company did send you amps to be tested/certified wasnt there name american bass

I was wondering when you were gonna say something DAMMMIT........ But i thought you would say more than that...LOL You chillin out in your old age ?????? JK

Now if american bass would just publish the rattings certified, they would be good, But i heard bob dont wanna change his rattings.

I GOT NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT MAN EXCEPT FOR THE COMPANY OOOPS PERSON THAT PROTETSED THIS AMP.


I EVEN HAVE READ SOME PEOPLE SAYING THE SAME THING I SAID NO MORE THAN 2 MONTHS AGO THAT GOT ME SLAMMED FOR IT, AND ME AND TRAC(E)Y FIGHTING.

ITS TO ELEVIATE AMPS THAT IS OR CLOSE TO WHAT THERE AMP DOES.

IS THE M3 TO STRONG MAYBE BUT NEEDS TO BE AT 14.4V AND 30% LIKE THE REST OF THE AMOS EVER TESTED HAS BEEN THEN WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE.


1 UP FOR CACTUS AT THIS TIME

ACTUALLY I WAS TOLD HE DONT WANT NO PART OF USAC ANYMORE THATS WHY HE DONT CARE TO RATE HIS AMPS.

NOT SURE WHERE THAT STEMS FROM, AND NOT MY BUISNESS EITHER.

KX1200 passed.

IF THATS THE CASE WHY WAS IT RERATED ?????????????

chris i will get flammed for this but if amps got clamped at finals , run in classes already made , if you are in 0-600 then thats the total power , 601-1800 same , etc.. no one has to sell their amps , no more what does that amp really do ? no more protesting , this would solve a lot of problems , this could be for next year . this year you need to use 30% at 14.4 because that is how other amps in same classes already have been tested . just my 2 cents

OK I GOT TO SAY THIS THERE IS A COMPANY OUT TERE THAT HAS BEEN DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO TO HAVE WELL LEGIT AMPS AND THATS RATING THEM AT .5 NOT 4 OHMS THAT WAY WHEN YOU DO THE REVERSE ADDITION IT ADDS UP TO THE PROPER WATTAGE

MMATS 3000.05 IS THE AMP IM REFERRING TO AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW .25 IS THERE SWEET SPOT NOT .5

SO IS THERE WAYS OF HAVING AN AMP STILL DO GOBS OF POWER AND RATED PROPERLY YUP THERE IS.

re-rated, but still fit at the time of testing.

am i not getting something here didn't this amp fail at 13.8 volts not 14.4.so whats the problem.

This is all more reason I LOVE STREETBEAT......FTW

the main issue is 20% instead of 30% there tammy

sanman wrote:

the main issue is 20% instead of 30% there tammy

i know where that 2700 to 2400 change came from anyway.

The change was because they felt there amp would be totally legit for the class if ever protested...and it still may be. I say redo the test correctly, call Steve and get an explanation of documentation. And if it passes fine...if it don't fine...but do the test right and do it at 14.4 at 30% like in the past. Whatever happens happens

bumpin s-10 wrote:

The change was because they felt there amp would be totally legit for the class if ever protested...and it still may be. I say redo the test correctly, call Steve and get an explanation of documentation. And if it passes fine...if it don't fine...but do the test right and do it at 14.4 at 30% like in the past. Whatever happens happens

i am going to disagree with you on that one chris,i really know where that change came from and it wasent from them thinking it would pass a test.i am not bashing anyone as i have used dd products since 1999,fact is i know why that change came about,but until the real party comes cleaN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.

You act as tho there is some big secret....DD had conflicting output numbers @ 1ohm on some forums and on there website. This was in the very early release of the product. They were asked what the amp truly did at 4 ohm...it happened to fit USACI's format and that was that. Now the protest was done at a different voltage than required and at a tolerance that past amps have not been tested against. I would say it will be interesting to see how it fairs at the right voltage and tolerance of 30%. IF it still doesn't pass I would say it would be just barely. So if DD was truly trying to pull a fast one do you think they'd do it so that the amp missed by 5 watts or something....doubt it. Again the amp wasn't even intended to be in the spl lanes...i was after the fact that the amps where found to be good for 0-600.

WOULD IT HELP IF I TOLD YOU WHO MADE THE PHONE CALL.

YES IT WOULD....... Tell us fool.

I think it may, but it may also make things worse.

Moparbass28 wrote:

I think it may, but it may also make things worse.

THATS WHAT I KNOW.

Just got off the phone with Steve at Digital Designs...very interesting conversation. Anyway, they have called the USACI office and spoke with Mike D. They are patiently waiting for a return call from Ralph. If any of you question DD's intent for the M3 feel free to give them a call...there number is on the website. After speaking to them about there intentions for any of there products I think some people's views may change....we'll maybe not..some of us competitors have a very distorted thought process about what these companies are in business for. Some think that competive orgs make them money....actually the opposite is true. Competitors are always looking for a deal, cheapest price and most powerful amp. Consumer purchases are where the money is not us competitors.

bumpin s-10 wrote:

..some of us competitors have a very distorted thought process about what these companies are in business for. Some think that competive orgs make them money....actually the opposite is true. Competitors are always looking for a deal, cheapest price and most powerful amp. Consumer purchases are where the money is not us competitors.

amen, this is why ours is consumer rated at 2 ohm.....simple, street power.

damn go to work and wet from 4 to 12 wow but I will say this none of us run amps @4ohm the company rated it 2400@1ohm witch is legal and the test shows less than 2100w @1ohm even at 14.4 it wont go over 2400w so did it pass dds rating??????

bumpin s-10 wrote:

Just got off the phone with Steve at Digital Designs...very interesting conversation. Anyway, they have called the USACI office and spoke with Mike D. They are patiently waiting for a return call from Ralph. If any of you question DD's intent for the M3 feel free to give them a call...there number is on the website. After speaking to them about there intentions for any of there products I think some people's views may change....we'll maybe not..some of us competitors have a very distorted thought process about what these companies are in business for. Some think that competive orgs make them money....actually the opposite is true. Competitors are always looking for a deal, cheapest price and most powerful amp. Consumer purchases are where the money is not us competitors.

I have to dissagree with you Chris. The organizations promote car audio, competition, and the industry through the events. Perhaps a few competitors cost the manufacturers money in the short run but sound off events keep car audio out there and help to grown interest and sales. Imagine no more sound comps ever!.

Consumer sales ARE where the money is. A good number of those consumers get the car audio bug from seeing events, talking to friends who compete, and talking to retailers who are excited about this industry.

Absolutely,

Cris, how many subs and amplifiers do you think DD sells because they've won in the lanes.....

To think that a company is unaware of the benefits that come with world titles being won with their equipment is just naive.

this is cheap advertisement when people run equipment for manufactorors now that that is said Chris noone said they made the amp th cheat people in the lanes they did make an error in judgement on the specs, and now it is known well some of yall I know for a fact knew before hand.

The amp failed this is the test, and standards usac is using and thats pretty much that I agree with bruce that at 20% most of the amps out today will fail.

Just a quick question...alil off the topic though.

How can I get in contact w/ AudioTruth Labs?
(Or for that matter, any place that can correctly test an amp)
I would like to personally send in an amp or 2.