DDM3 Protest Results

These amps will be up for sale soon!

so it didn't pass? Wasn't it allowed to do 780 and pass. Or has te tolerance changed?

yeah i thought it was 20 %

Who did the testing?

I thought it was 30%. I dunno

http://www.soundoff.org/supportfiles/07splrules.pdf
A USACI member may protest the output of any brand and model of amplifier. The protest
procedure will entail the member sending a letter of protest to the USACI office containing the
make and model of the amplifier to be protested. A $300 nonrefundable protest fee must
accompany this request. USACI will acquire the amplifier and test the amplifiers at the USACI
offices in order ascertain if the amplifier’s actual output falls within the published output specified
by the manufacturer. If this amplifier is found to produce 120% or more of its rated power, that
amplifier will be disqualified until the manufacturer correctly rates that amplifier. The USACI
rating standard is 14.4 volts with a 4 ohm non-inductive load measured at 62hz at 1% THD.



Late last year we did a press release and switched to an independant lab wit far superior equipment for the testing in order to maitain the integrity of the process.

yeah i think your right sam, cuase i remember when i was running the 20.1's darville told me i was lucky cause they did 584 and only passed by 1 watt so that would have been 30%

Thanks Ralph. That cleared it up. I still on the old 30%

kickercrx wrote:

yeah i think your right sam, cuase i remember when i was running the 20.1's darville told me i was lucky cause they did 584 and only passed by 1 watt so that would have been 30%

i guess that info must have been wrong then from what ralph said, but the time i was talking was in 06 though so maybe it was diff then

It has changed in the last yr or so.

2006 was 30%. Everyone was puching the line and in 07 we went to 20% to tighten things up and keep the field level.

So do I protest my own amp to get it to be a official rating. I have what the Manfact. says. But want to be safe

haha that sucks for a few

Wonder if Aaron(ArmedandBanging) ordered his amp yet?

USACI wrote:

2006 was 30%. Everyone was puching the line and in 07 we went to 20% to tighten things up and keep the field level.

If this is true, then that means all the amps that were tested under the 30% limit must be rerated as well. That is only fair at this point.

I will take this up with the member committe as well.

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

USACI wrote:

2006 was 30%. Everyone was puching the line and in 07 we went to 20% to tighten things up and keep the field level.

If this is true, then that means all the amps that were tested under the 30% limit must be rerated as well. That is only fair at this point.

I will take this up with the member committe as well.

Your correct on that cant rerate some amps different from others in the past!

that is true, but who knows if usaci even still has the results to see what the actual results were, or if they just know that they passed, of course back then using differant benches and equipment to get the test results, well that is a big can of worms right there

so are you allowed 4 strikes or is it 3?

fail at 13.8 i had to drop my m3 down too 13.2 to keep it from going into protect.

i will have both of my m3's up forsale shortly.

TeamSpead-Kenny wrote:

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

USACI wrote:

2006 was 30%. Everyone was puching the line and in 07 we went to 20% to tighten things up and keep the field level.

If this is true, then that means all the amps that were tested under the 30% limit must be rerated as well. That is only fair at this point.

I will take this up with the member committe as well.

Your correct on that cant rerate some amps different from others in the past!

this is very true it should have stayed 30% no matter what because every amp that is tested after is at a disavantage. and this amp would have passed on the old limit. and if you read the 1 ohm it passes for 0-600 less than stated by dd 2400@1 and if you read the bottom sweep test for power it passes also with 600 @ 4ohm and that test was with a (actual vehicle power supply) 13.8v so its more real for us because we all play diff hz

the great amp debat. here we go again. spend your hard earned money for an amp and then what. This is the reason people are quitting this sport.

This post was FYI and to get POSITIVE INPUT, not the negative crap.

Why are people talking about quittin? People are quitting because we follow the rules? People are quitting because, bacause, because. Nascar, AMA, IHRA, NHRA, and every other sanction in the WORLD has to deal with the same issues. This is nothing new to any sport. We do our best and try to stick with it.

As for the results, everything is fine until someone gets results they do not like. Last year it was our test bench that was the problem according to most of the posts. This year it is something else (20% rule). Every time we fix one thing there are three others that pop up. If the amp passed there would be another group angry because it 30% is TOO EASY! This never ends. Show me any set of rules for ANY ORG and I iwl show you 20 problems and 30 ways to get around them. You cannot get around the human factor.

These rules have been posted and are not a suprise. As for the 20% vs 30%, that issue CAN BE reveiwed by the competitor commitee if they choose to. If you have an issue, use the avenue that was put out there for you to use. We have not made a final determination as of this time and plan to contact DD to get their input and review the USACI and CEA rules prior to a final decision.

However, using this protest result and this topis as an excuse to Slam USACI, create dissention, or promote your "other favorite org" will be reason for immediate removal from the forums and USACI.

We welcome opinions, not agenda's.

bruce-bruce wrote:

Who did the testing?

The testing facility is noted in the report.

These rules have been posted and are not a suprise. As for the 20% vs 30%, that issue CAN BE reveiwed by the competitor commitee if they choose to. If you have an issue, use the avenue that was put out there for you to use.

cool that is a good option thanks Ralph

20% seems fair to me. Levels the feild that much more. I think the comitee is the way to go on the 20% vs 30%, but I say leave it at 20%. Only option I can think is that previous amps can be re protested

this was suppose to be the most bullet proof 0-600 amp out there and it failed man lol let me go see how many are for sale now

people spend alot of money and then usaci changes and those changes cost people alot of money sometimes it seems that this is not taken into consideration..... im debating on going to finals this year because of what happened last year with the streat beat thing.....don't know if i will be willing to risk something happening like that again..... i still like to compete it's just that that was a real sudden change of rules for no reason....

Ralph has contacted me, the competitors committee will be discussing this, you input is desired. Contact your regional reps. Ralph does wanr are input on what we would like to see. Old 30% new 20% what do yall want, now is the time to be heard.
Thanks