check this out

he is not on top Pioneer is on top with Scott Owens if you wanna be picky about this now. That is the loudest Usaci vehicle.

In other words Greg...and external mod? A grey area not stated I agree. But not one I would want to play in. IMHO

Navi is the winner for the day DING DING DING

bruce-bruce wrote:

I would say this is applicable to stock class. being that this class allows high voltage, a mod to the amp to accept the rules would then be applicable. Now in STOCK i could see this not being applicable or allowed.

So no lower Imp mod? now thats in a higher class?

Navi wrote:

SO whats to keep him from senidng usac an amp thats been scaled down to pass off a lower rating and then selling the normal amps? Too many flaws IMO

Or any other mfg send in to usaci the same thing?



Im sure thats has happened before

I SEE THIS IS HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH GREG SO WE MUST BE GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH HERE

Greg McCool wrote:

bruce-bruce wrote:

I would say this is applicable to stock class. being that this class allows high voltage, a mod to the amp to accept the rules would then be applicable. Now in STOCK i could see this not being applicable or allowed.

So no lower Imp mod? now thats in a higer class?

I would say no...BUt I dont know. I know I have never ran any amps with a lower imp mod. Just play with impedence rise and got them to work. To me stock amps are just that. One i can go into any kicker dealer get one off the shelf and do exactly what I just did with mine. But thats just my interpretation of that rule.

sanman wrote:

I SEE THIS IS HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH GREG SO WE MUST BE GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH HERE

I have no amps... so no sore spot here!



So what are you trying to bring up something that has NOT even happened?


I thought that L&C was apart of Team Cactus... so what the deal Jeff?



In see my post got deleted.... what’s new uh?

sanman wrote:

Tracey I dont care who you are man it doesnt negate the fact that an amp can pass then be modded for certain people. Agreed or not thats all I am asking you at this time.

I prefer to NOT assume, what can happen, or possibly happen, in the future, other than dying and paying taxes.

sanman wrote:

I SEE THIS IS HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH GREG SO WE MUST BE GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH HERE

here we go ....again.......................


Cactus could change them, I could change them, IA could change an amp, any manufacture can change an amp, or mod it AFTER it's been tested...so why pick on this one....??? because it's new, upproven, or scared of it....

LET IT GET TESTED, if you wanna protest, lay down the cash....end of story

i agree, NO mods needs to be done to this amp, NOR any amp after it has passed...leave it, and play it in the lanes, let install provide a winner.

Polecat wrote:

Ok, question Chad, an amp that has the OVP (over voltage protection) removed, is that now, classified as 'unlimited power class"

"Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division."

modded is modded anything that is not stock any brand! my 2 cents

Greg McCool wrote:

sanman wrote:

I SEE THIS IS HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH GREG SO WE MUST BE GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH HERE

I have no amps... so no sore spot here!



So what are you trying to bring up something that has NOT even happened?


I thought that L&C was apart of Team Cactus... so what the deal Jeff?



In see my post got deleted.... what’s new uh?

I have no cactus in my store! Kicker,Rockford,JL Audio,Quantum & Diamond

Navi wrote:

SO whats to keep him from senidng usac an amp thats been scaled down to pass off a lower rating and then selling the normal amps? Too many flaws IMO

Scott, I agree, there are many possible flaws, that could happen.Anyone can have an amp tested, approved early, then at finals time, have done a mod, and do way over the actual tested amount. I like the clamped power idea dbSteve is doing, may take longer, but keeps it real

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Polecat wrote:

Ok, question Chad, an amp that has the OVP (over voltage protection) removed, is that now, classified as 'unlimited power class"

"Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division."

modded is modded anything that is not stock any brand! my 2 cents

than this opens a WHOLE new can of worms :eek:

Polecat wrote:

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Polecat wrote:

Ok, question Chad, an amp that has the OVP (over voltage protection) removed, is that now, classified as 'unlimited power class"

"Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division."

modded is modded anything that is not stock any brand! my 2 cents

than this opens a WHOLE new can of worms :eek:

Sorry Im just calling like I see it! Is that Wrong?
modded is a unlimted class

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Greg McCool wrote:

sanman wrote:

I SEE THIS IS HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH GREG SO WE MUST BE GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH HERE

I have no amps... so no sore spot here!



So what are you trying to bring up something that has NOT even happened?


I thought that L&C was apart of Team Cactus... so what the deal Jeff?



In see my post got deleted.... what’s new uh?

I have no cactus in my store! Kicker,Rockford,JL Audio,Quantum & Diamond

I think Greg is speaking of this announcement...

https://usaci.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f11/team-loud-clear-kicker-to-partner-with-t2441.htm

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Polecat wrote:

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Polecat wrote:

Ok, question Chad, an amp that has the OVP (over voltage protection) removed, is that now, classified as 'unlimited power class"

"Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division."

modded is modded anything that is not stock any brand! my 2 cents

than this opens a WHOLE new can of worms :eek:

Sorry Im just calling like I see it! Is that Wrong?
modded is a unlimted class

Oh, trust me big D, I'm not argueing, same thing, just clarrification. To you, OVP is a mod, to some, it's not...USACi needs to 'clarify' is all

Polecat wrote:

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Greg McCool wrote:

sanman wrote:

I SEE THIS IS HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH GREG SO WE MUST BE GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH HERE

I have no amps... so no sore spot here!



So what are you trying to bring up something that has NOT even happened?


I thought that L&C was apart of Team Cactus... so what the deal Jeff?



In see my post got deleted.... what’s new uh?

I have no cactus in my store! Kicker,Rockford,JL Audio,Quantum & Diamond

I think Greg is speaking of this announcement...

https://usaci.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f11/team-loud-clear-kicker-to-partner-with-t2441.htm

thats all good but I still have no cactus!

People run modded amps all the time in PS not many amps take 18v out the box. Some do most dont. So I see no issues in ps. Or just get rid of High voltage all together in stock the its squashed. I can belive all the bickering and bull shit that happens all the damn time around here. I am for one getting sick and tired of it. I should maybe just go do my own thing.

Polecat wrote:

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Polecat wrote:

KC_LOUD&CLEAR wrote:

Polecat wrote:

Ok, question Chad, an amp that has the OVP (over voltage protection) removed, is that now, classified as 'unlimited power class"

"Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division."

modded is modded anything that is not stock any brand! my 2 cents

than this opens a WHOLE new can of worms :eek:

Sorry Im just calling like I see it! Is that Wrong?
modded is a unlimted class

Oh, trust me big D, I'm not argueing, same thing, just clarrification. To you, OVP is a mod, to some, it's not...USACi needs to 'clarify' is all

No I didnt take it that way tracy! Its all good I was just throwing my 2 cents in

so why pick on this one....???


Tracey your either not paying attention or you are refusing to

A team mate of mine was told my cactus on the phone he could get an amp from cactus modded to extremely out perform the original ratings of the amp. I have said this about 4 times now in this post and you have not seen it yet.

So whats the deal are you just chosing not to see it, and when i shoot straight forward legit ? at you well you do what cooperate types always do side step it the best you can

bruce-bruce wrote:

People run modded amps all the time in PS not many amps take 18v out the box. Some do most dont. So I see no issues in ps. Or just get rid of High voltage all together in stock the its squashed. I can belive all the bickering and bull shit that happens all the damn time around here. I am for one getting sick and tired of it. I should maybe just go do my own thing.

take me with you

As team captain we chose to work with cactus as a strategic choice in this competition arena. Agreed donnie dosent sale cactus, Not many stores in the US do at this point. However he still has a team. and we are happy to as Team Loud and Clear be in partnership with that.

He inquired with me about that yes. Didnt say I could, I felt it as he was inquiring about the rules and there limitations. I advised him as to what I thought was morally correct. I have spoked with tracy about this off line. and re stated my opinion. I think at the end of the day cactus does the right thing and makes equal amps for all....Good luck and good day to all.

sanman wrote:

so why pick on this one....???


Tracey your either not paying attention or you are refusing to

A team mate of mine was told my cactus on the phone he could get an amp from cactus modded to extremely out perform the original ratings of the amp. I have said this about 4 times now in this post and you have not seen it yet.

So whats the deal are you just chosing not to see it, and when i shoot straight forward legit ? at you well you do what cooperate types always do side step it the best you can

Jeff, quit ASSUMING all the time...JUST ONCE, I'd liek to see poitive post, and or good statements out of you....what have YOU heard, PERSONALLY from christoph, or you heard, may bot count. Has this happened already, so you can "Female dog" about it? Or you assuming, AGAIN!

and we've been down this, I'll take cooperate, over bitcher, anyday..............

bruce-bruce wrote:

He inquired with me about that yes. Didnt say I could, I felt it as he was inquiring about the rules and there limitations. I advised him as to what I thought was morally correct. I have spoked with tracy about this off line. and re stated my opinion. I think at the end of the day cactus does the right thing and makes equal amps for all....Good luck and good day to all.

correct Bruce, and agree, I plan to address this with Christoph....
but too many jumping on "what CAN happen" over, what will ....

if anyone specialized in reading the future, should not be on a USACi forum, but be in Vegas betting............

Can't wait to test my pallet of amps. =)

My money was on the jayhawks.....

well kicker aint all clean either but im assuming again right

I mean since modded amps shouldnt be allowed in basic stock that is