Rules

http://soundoff.org/rules/2010splrules.pdf

Since many seem to not know where to find them. Is it really that hard to read this and follow the rules???? Grey areas my ass. Yes, there are some. This covers a whole lot of so called grey areas:

Modifications: No modifications will be allowed to the interior of the passenger compartment or
exterior of the vehicle in order to facilitate the audio system. The floor, ceiling and dashboard
must be OEM or equivalent to include all fabrics, coverings and carpets.


Simply put.......no dash mods.....at all...vents, blowers, adding boards, consoles, etc. Don't sit here and try and claim you didn't know it wasn't legal. I don't think the rules are that hard to understand.

There are many other simple questions or people looking for a way around stuff. RTFM!!!!!!!

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there are no mods forward the b-piller period this is where the grey area stops

a stock vehicle is just that stock, and dynomat or what ever else people use isnt stock at all

So swapping your hf door panels for si panels would be a mod in front of the b pillar would it not?

mschwitz wrote:

http://soundoff.org/rules/2010splrules.pdf

Since many seem to not know where to find them. Is it really that hard to read this and follow the rules???? Grey areas my ass. Yes, there are some. This covers a whole lot of so called grey areas:

Modifications: No modifications will be allowed to the interior of the passenger compartment or
exterior of the vehicle in order to facilitate the audio system. The floor, ceiling and dashboard
must be OEM or equivalent to include all fabrics, coverings and carpets.


Simply put.......no dash mods.....at all...vents, blowers, adding boards, consoles, etc. Don't sit here and try and claim you didn't know it wasn't legal. I don't think the rules are that hard to understand.

There are many other simple questions or people looking for a way around stuff. RTFM!!!!!!!

end rant....

I agree and disagree at the same time.
The problem stems from inconsistencies from the judges. Don't blame the competitor for doing what other competitors are doing. If it's practiced by other competitors, and the judges let it slide, then there is a grey area that lets the competitor think its ok because other people are doing it.

very true.

It's still not a grey area just because everyone else does it. Tons of people cheat on there taxes each year and don't get caught. Does that mean everyone should? Steroids in sports.....lots do it and don't get caught....still isn't legal. Just because you don't get caught doesn't make something "legal" or a grey area. The rules are there plain as day. If you chose to curcumvent the rules for whatever reason you chose to justify your actions.......IT'S STILL CHEATING!!!!!! Why people cheat is irrealivant....the fact that they do isn't.

Just because a county is CA looks the other way about marijuana laws doesn't change the federal law stating any possesion is illegal. Just because people chose not to follow or enforce the rules doesn't make them null and void.

right.. but when you live in that county and no one cares.. then you do it . Same as in usaci , no judges care.. so you do it .. your points are like saying since its not legal in drag then its wrong in usaci as well.

im not saying anything here it legal.. im saying no one stops it. so everyone will do it ..

Whether everyone does it or not still doesn't change the fact that it's still cheating. If everyone stole from everyone else would it then not be stealing anymore?

I understand the fact that if people think they can get away with it they will try. I've caught people pulling the "well...so and so let's me do it" Well I'm sorry your normal judge doesn't understand the rulebook or chose to enforce it. The rules are written and when I judge they are ALL enforced. I don't remember being given the power to chose what parts of the rulebook I enforce. The rules are written in black and white. If you chose to take your chances by not following them then expect to someday get caught and have to deal with the consequences (which there never really seems to be any, so I guess why not cheat?) But really, they know it's wrong and they still chose to do it. Every car I have ever built has been 100% legal for the class they are in. If not I move it the the class it belongs in until it is legal. I'm sure I could get my judge to look the other way on many things and sneak all kinds of things by them, but why?

why. . cause it add DBs lmao

Ok, you got me there......

So no tape sealing vents in front of b pillar either right??

im just saying ,people know who know about it . know 90% of everyone else is doing it ... so they say "well if they \"Female dog\" about mine they will have to DQ 50 other cars at finals " too not to say its not cheating..

Back to the door panel thing......????????

sanman....you're awful quite. I'm bored.....come \"Female dog\" with me

id say the door panel deal technically is a no go.. but very very hard to police..

not really when the back of the car says hf or other than si and the door panels say Si on them. I think that's an easy one

So, if one of my customers has teardrop kick panels, they will be pushed into supermod?

It hasn't been officially updated in the rules but the ruling I know of is kicks are ok as long as they are not intended to manipulate the meter or spl in any way.

Does this have anything to do with the post that got taken down about cheating in midwest spl and the dashes being redone in wood with tape over it???? Ive been gone a few days and noticed that one was gone so it either got interesting and deleted or just deleted.... So what all did i miss..

Yeah that's where my inspiration came from. I got to the party too late to comment.

Aside from that it's also for all the simple questions that are being asked by noobs that are covered in the rulebook such as "can I have my amps in front of the b pillar" Damn, it's in the rules. RTFM then ask questions. Or RTFR!!!!!

I play by the rules. I'm not loud either... but I don't get loud by the rules.

i think trying to say i cant put si door panels on my hf is going overboard. they are both crx's why does it matter what model its from?

rules need to be revised and cleared up plain and simple.

So I can take 95 camaro door panels and put them on my 91? Did they come on that vehicle????? No. Pretty sure that would count as a modifiction then. I'm not trying to be a dick, just sick of excuses of why it's ok to not follow the rules.

It has been that way every since my first show back in 1998. It hasn't changed and I don't making a stink about it on the forum will help change anything. Just my .02 worth

Exactly.....And Mike your being very very silly on the doorpanel del... But its your opinion and mine is your opinion is silly on the doorpanels i would laugh in your face and start a stink you would not believe over you disqaulifing me over a panel that wasn't a year match if it bolts fuckit... anyway i see all you other points but the doorpanel deal your reaching to far bro...... I might even smack a judge for being that stupid ... Dont take offense or do dont matter but that is just stupid and jaffe and derouse would both tell you that

I think the old saying goes something like:
"If you're not cheating, you're not trying."

oem equivelant...if the 91 and the 95 camaros door panels line up and fit perfectly, then its oem equivelant

Jimbo I guess thats where the part OEM equivalent would come into play, maybe Mike missed that in his original post even though he posted it. An hf door panel is equivalent to an SI one, so it's be good. It snaps right on.

And another thing people keep missing is they are only saying half of the rule, they keep saying no mods to the passenger campartment or exterior of the vehicle and they stop right there and say no mods, well thats not the whole rule, the whole rule is

"No modifications will be allowed to the interior of the passenger compartment or exterior of the vehicle in order to facilitate the audio system."

notice the "in order to facilitate the audio system" part. Adding A-pilliar turbo gauges, or swapping to another oem equivalent door panel, painting your dash peices, or going to an aftermarket steering wheel are all mods, however, they are not facilitating the audio system so they are ok.

Yes, the door panels are a reach. The rules used to read nothing that would manipulate spl. The si door panels (aside from having different seatbelt locations, iirc) are installed in non si cars to increase spl. The rules are vague on things like this, but wooden panels behind the dash is pretty clearly not legal. I know of many more "tricks" "grey areas" or things that aren't checked. To each his own I guess. People wonder why this is a dying sport and there isn't much new blood coming in. Cheating isn't just happening it's practically condoned and approved.