Rules

New to the forums here, and wanting to compete in a few shows this season. I competed in MidwestSPL last season, as well as one USACI show (IFO Noble, OK). I would love to start putting a plan together for a build in my Civic, but........when I click on the "RULES" tab, it wants me to pay to join before I can see them.

Heck, after I see the rules, I may not WANT to compete!

Seriously, am I doing something wrong? Surely you don't have to pay money just to read the rules.......

Just click download. It is a pdf.

Thanks Chris, but...... I don't see a link to click. When I click on the "RULES" tab, it takes me to the page where you order a membership.

Ok.. i tried. Same problem! Lol. That must have been screwed up with the last update attempt. Lol

Is there ANYWHERE one can view the rules? I really need to pick a class and get busy here....

Oh and Chris, I remember you from the show in Noble last year. My son and I were there with the red Civic hatchback with a wall of DD 15s. Remember?

first thing u got to do is buy u a cheater amp

Yes i do

they dont clamp amps in usaci

Thanks, but I'm not gonna buy any amps just for this class. I'll run what I won finals with in MidwestSPL. May not do very well, but I don't care. I'm only planning on competing in a couple of shows within driving distance to me. Not planning to go to USACI finals.

Here ya go.....

USACi Rulebook download (PDF)

Now why couldn't I find that!?

Thanks a bunch!

mfivespeed wrote:

they dont clamp amps in usaci

Strapping is just fine tho.

first thing u got to do is buy u a cheater amp


ahh poor babay whats wrong your lil kraco get you stomped

Leave it to Sanman for a blast from the past, You got any idea how long it been since i heard the name kraco.

nope i was just giving the guy a heads up if he want to be competitive in usaci thats all, that why its hard to get locals guy to go to more than one show are even want to compete in usaci

there not cheater amps unless its only 1 pr 2 thats doing it well guess what its more than that



conform or get ran the fornicate over buddy

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I won't buy a certain brand(s) of amps specifically for any one organization. In my opinion, clamping power is the ONLY fair way of doing things. That way, there are no "cheater" amps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that going by the manufacturer's RATING of an amp is not going to be anywhere close to fair. It's basically saying "Ok, you're allowed to run any amp rated at xxx power at 4 ohms, but you'll only be competitive if you run THESE CERTAIN BRANDS...." Basically, the manufacturers that fudge the most on their ratings do the best.

I think mfivespeed is right: That IS why a lot of people don't want to compete in USACI. I've heard LOTS of folks talk about this. Not everyone wants to be limited to certain brands or certain manufacturers in order to be competitive.

I already told my son that we won't be competitive in USACI, but we talked about it and decided that we may go ahead and throw something together anyway just for fun. Our main focus, however, is MidwestSPL.

ShooterK2 wrote:

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I won't buy a certain brand(s) of amps specifically for any one organization. In my opinion, clamping power is the ONLY fair way of doing things. That way, there are no "cheater" amps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that going by the manufacturer's RATING of an amp is not going to be anywhere close to fair. It's basically saying "Ok, you're allowed to run any amp rated at xxx power at 4 ohms, but you'll only be competitive if you run THESE CERTAIN BRANDS...." Basically, the manufacturers that fudge the most on their ratings do the best.

I think mfivespeed is right: That IS why a lot of people don't want to compete in USACI. I've heard LOTS of folks talk about this. Not everyone wants to be limited to certain brands or certain manufacturers in order to be competitive.

I already told my son that we won't be competitive in USACI, but we talked about it and decided that we may go ahead and throw something together anyway just for fun. Our main focus, however, is MidwestSPL.

I wll put my usaci amp up against all that mwspl clamp shut

In my opinion, clamping power is the ONLY fair way of doing things


you might wanna stick to mwspl then homie


i went from usaci to mwspl a few years ago and it was just as easy to wint a title there as it is here

That's what I'm saying, Chris. I'm certain that RD amps put out FAR more power than they are rated, or than what other manufacturers rate their amps, that are supposedly of similar power levels.

We all know the argument. It's been talked about a million and one times. Some folks prefer it THIS way, others like it THAT way. Nothing against USACI (obviously, I'm the one coming on here looking for rules so I can do a USACI build), but I, like a ton of other people I have talked to, refuse to go spend a lot of money on certain brands that fudge their power ratings in order to be competitive.

No doubt about it, RD makes some EXCELLENT equipment, as do several other companies. I'm sure an RD amp of any given power rating puts out a considerable amount more power than most other amps of that same power rating. I'm just one of the guys that enjoys competing against other systems using the EXACT SAME POWER. That way, the build is the deciding factor, not the amount of power coming from the amp.

And sanman, thanks for the advice. I'm not looking for an organization where it's "easy" to win a title. That's not why I'm here. I'm also not here to spend a lot of money on "cheater amps" just to be competitive. I've already acknowledged that I won't be setting any records here. In fact, I'm sure I won't even be competitive at all. It's just something different that my son and I want to play around in.

Not trying to step on any ones toes or anything, but yes RD makes a really nice amp. Which when I was building Fred's explorer for SB4. That's all I heard is that rd is the way to go. First year out (2009) he was using 2 sundown 3000's. And won at finals. We beat the living Dung Pile out of those amps without a failure. So the next year we tried a pair of rd d9's. And got nowhere fast used those amps for 2 shows and sold them, and went back with sundowns. And they have not let us down yet. BTW he has won SB4 every year since 2009. And he drives the explorer daily. It's not just a comp only vehicle. Just my .02.

ShooterK2 wrote:

That's what I'm saying, Chris. I'm certain that RD amps put out FAR more power than they are rated, or than what other manufacturers rate their amps, that are supposedly of similar power levels.

We all know the argument. It's been talked about a million and one times. Some folks prefer it THIS way, others like it THAT way. Nothing against USACI (obviously, I'm the one coming on here looking for rules so I can do a USACI build), but I, like a ton of other people I have talked to, refuse to go spend a lot of money on certain brands that fudge their power ratings in order to be competitive.

No doubt about it, RD makes some EXCELLENT equipment, as do several other companies. I'm sure an RD amp of any given power rating puts out a considerable amount more power than most other amps of that same power rating. I'm just one of the guys that enjoys competing against other systems using the EXACT SAME POWER. That way, the build is the deciding factor, not the amount of power coming from the amp.

And sanman, thanks for the advice. I'm not looking for an organization where it's "easy" to win a title. That's not why I'm here. I'm also not here to spend a lot of money on "cheater amps" just to be competitive. I've already acknowledged that I won't be setting any records here. In fact, I'm sure I won't even be competitive at all. It's just something different that my son and I want to play around in.

There is always another way to look at it i personally don't run RD but i know about what kinda power they do so i run my amps see what number i do then look at it like ( i got 15k clamped out of mine and did this number so if i throw 2 d5's in there the score would be about the same)

ya might see 1 amp ,,beat 2 rd.d5s this year.now if ya clamped them rd will be more power but at half that power that 1 amp just might put up a big # maybe....

beatnoutdaframe wrote:

ShooterK2 wrote:

That's what I'm saying, Chris. I'm certain that RD amps put out FAR more power than they are rated, or than what other manufacturers rate their amps, that are supposedly of similar power levels.

We all know the argument. It's been talked about a million and one times. Some folks prefer it THIS way, others like it THAT way. Nothing against USACI (obviously, I'm the one coming on here looking for rules so I can do a USACI build), but I, like a ton of other people I have talked to, refuse to go spend a lot of money on certain brands that fudge their power ratings in order to be competitive.

No doubt about it, RD makes some EXCELLENT equipment, as do several other companies. I'm sure an RD amp of any given power rating puts out a considerable amount more power than most other amps of that same power rating. I'm just one of the guys that enjoys competing against other systems using the EXACT SAME POWER. That way, the build is the deciding factor, not the amount of power coming from the amp.

And sanman, thanks for the advice. I'm not looking for an organization where it's "easy" to win a title. That's not why I'm here. I'm also not here to spend a lot of money on "cheater amps" just to be competitive. I've already acknowledged that I won't be setting any records here. In fact, I'm sure I won't even be competitive at all. It's just something different that my son and I want to play around in.

There is always another way to look at it i personally don't run RD but i know about what kinda power they do so i run my amps see what number i do then look at it like ( i got 15k clamped out of mine and did this number so if i throw 2 d5's in there the score would be about the same)

Exactly how I look at it!!!

BODEAN wrote:

Leave it to Sanman for a blast from the past, You got any idea how long it been since i heard the name kraco.

LOL remember Fultron? I believe that was first name of Memphis.

sanman wrote:

first thing u got to do is buy u a cheater amp


ahh poor babay whats wrong your lil kraco get you stomped

I remember people complaining about my HCCA 225's calling them cheater amps. Lol if they only knew what shunting the fuse holder and 16 volts with 8 volts of input at 1/2 ohm would wake the little monsters up.

so now rd is the only company oput there running the so called cheater amps


i look at it totally differant its not there fault your company doesnt build your amps to play at .175 like theres does now is it so its not really a cheater amp its a competition amp. you should talk to mmats or who ever it is your using and tell them you need an amp a certain way to do certain things and everyone could have the same ability that you would just like rd did when me/ koller/jimbo/ and some other told them this.

you see they dont appeal to the mass they are for the competitors and built for us with our input added. i mean they could be like rockjunk and mass producing some Dung Pile at low prices to fill there pockets.

same way with the rd3250's man people bitched moaned and complained theye didnt do any power so i tested everything i could on it and well .25/18v/14v of input and that amp would walk most bigger ones

sanman wrote:

so now rd is the only company oput there running the so called cheater amps


i look at it totally differant its not there fault your company doesnt build your amps to play at .175 like theres does now is it so its not really a cheater amp its a competition amp. you should talk to mmats or who ever it is your using and tell them you need an amp a certain way to do certain things and everyone could have the same ability that you would just like rd did when me/ koller/jimbo/ and some other told them this.

you see they dont appeal to the mass they are for the competitors and built for us with our input added. i mean they could be like rockjunk and mass producing some Dung Pile at low prices to fill there pockets.

Agree!

sanman wrote:

so now rd is the only company oput there running the so called cheater amps


i look at it totally differant its not there fault your company doesnt build your amps to play at .175 like theres does now is it so its not really a cheater amp its a competition amp. you should talk to mmats or who ever it is your using and tell them you need an amp a certain way to do certain things and everyone could have the same ability that you would just like rd did when me/ koller/jimbo/ and some other told them this.

you see they dont appeal to the mass they are for the competitors and built for us with our input added. i mean they could be like rockjunk and mass producing some Dung Pile at low prices to fill there pockets.

.175 huh? Damn I just might have to give them a little playtime...lol
The sundowns are at .35 and can run full tilt off the bat no rolling the volume up.