2009 power classes.

First topic message reminder :

Despite all the class changes some things have remained the same.
1. Modified with the below poer classes us still the most popular and competed in division
2. Pro Stock and Super Modified are empty at most events and not much more that that at Finals.



POWER CLASSES:
Stock:
0 – 1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001-4000 watts (max 6 amplifiers)
4001-up watts (unlimited)

Pro Stock: Open Power at 1x and 2x events
0–1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001–up watts (unlimited amplifiers)

Modified:
0 – 1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001-4000 watts (max 6 amplifiers)
4001-up watts (unlimited)

Super Modified: Regular, double and triple point events - Open power class
0 - 2000 watts (Max 4 Amplifiers)
2001 – up watts


Street Beat Classes to reamin the same. Street Beat WILL BE added to the rule book and USACI GENERAL RULES will appy to any gray area.

the thing is there is a mass cry after finals every year for changes and amp ratings are always at the top of the list. its old it doesnt change, and why should it so you as a shop owner, and a seller of dd should say they have really high 4ohm ratings, and if you plan on competing well this would be a better route to go then he or she would be alot wiser from the information that they have obtained from you, or atleast an idea of whats going on as per the why usaci allows amps to play in usaci.

you are a member of the committee man it doesnt matter you dont have an option to change hats anytime you want because you are apart of the committee.

sanman wrote:

the thing is there is a mass cry after finals every year for changes and amp ratings are always at the top of the list. its old it doesnt change, and why should it so you as a shop owner, and a seller of dd should say they have really high 4ohm ratings, and if you plan on competing well this would be a better route to go then he or she would be alot wiser from the information that they have obtained from you, or atleast an idea of whats going on as per the why usaci allows amps to play in usaci.

you are a member of the committee man it doesnt matter you dont have an option to change hats anytime you want because you are apart of the committee.

I think you inherently write babble.
First the mass cry thing after finals?....what?!, are you so egotistical that you actual think people are "mass crying" because they lost to you and they want to change the rules so they can beat you? Get off your high horse man.
The real reason we see so many wanting change after finals each is because its the end of the season and its the best time to change something.

As for your shop owner DD thing comment I have no idea what your talking about, I don't think you do either. If you actually listen to the things I've been saying you'd see that I'm actually hurting DD sales at my store.
I want to be able to sell a kid a $300 amp thats competitive instead of halving to watch him walk out the door when I tell him he'll have to spend $1000 if he wants a competitive amp.

Dude, seriously, go back and read my posts "entirely" before you tell me what I think or what secret motives I have. It's not fair to just read a couple lines of my posts and then pick and choose what you want in your replies.

Jeff has had it easy he had only had 2 ppl in his class for the last 2 years maybe he wants it that way to bad troy broke I would have liked to see him play...but hey I could have left my rex at home and ran 1 12 and 500w in prostock 1800-3000 and still take 3rd

correct its not about me zac 2 people in my class that was it i like the way the classes hjave been broken down to fill thje classes up, and i would have liked to see troy be able to better than he did as well I have no issues with troy at all.

I have also stated im in unlimited this year so does the amps really matyter to me no you ass fuk. Its stupid to change alot at once there have been changes im good with them. Why should people have to change amps just because some want to see a change. You can take my ego comment and shove it buddy.

well I rember when Usaci was 4 ohm(only) and no stock class.. so does that mean that sence then usaci when down hill?

keep talkin that smack Jeff and I might just come show you a real number in your class

OUCH!

your always welcome to come to my class zac, snd you know ill never stop talking Dung Pile

Apparently all we are doin is pissing in the wind here fellows.. either we should start all the way back over at 0-100 or do classes based on MAX pwr.. I hear in every post now that we want more kids to join to make things more comepetitive.. well with these changes u can kiss that good-bye.. kids don't have the money and mom and daddy aren't gonna support that headbangin music as they call it.. these #'S are gonna be so outrageous before long noone else is gonna join. but no offense to usaci but guys we're wastin our time. our opinion really doesn't matter and it obviously shows.. i have respect for Ralph and the judges I know, but this yr at Finals was rediculous.. changing the sp rule in the middle and then changing it back? seriously.. im new and all but from what I hear bout other organizations they have there ducks in a row. We can sit here and "Female dog" all night long but its not gonna help anything..

so the skills of people beiong able to play within the rules and obtain loud ass numbers are the issue here is that what im hearing

this is the 3rd time tonight i have heard this actually

im just sayin u want more comp.. well u wont get it this way..

so the real deal from what i have been told is 0-600 is no ovber 160, and people are pissed causae they dont see that as an obtainabler number well if i remember correctly bruce told everyone last year we could do that then did anyone listen or just not take him seriousely.

some people are always going to be on top due to there ability to get more than most anyone else based upon there skill set

loud and clear did a hell of a number hands down, but it did not just coem from nothing.

o i give it to L&C but now the 0-1000 score should be 62's.. thats attainable.. but what kid can do a freakin 62 with their sony 1000? NONE..

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zacdavis
I had a few long discussions with a lot of competitors n people involved with USACi tonight and I must say, i'm exhausted.

I guess I'm just goin to have to come to realize(again like every year) that no matter what we do there will always be controversy in the classes that have power ratings. So no matter what we do we'll never be able to make it fair for the newbie low budget guys.
Even StreetBeat is pro-competitor dominated....honestly the way only I can get a local customer a trophy anymore is to hold my own event and put my own rating system together.
I don't know anymore.....i'm confused on what I think would help usaci and my customers.
I wish Streetbeat wasnt so popular at world because if we cut it from finals it would open the class back up to real newb's.
But that wouldnt work because from what I've seen SB has had the biggest turnouts at finals.

Oh well, I tried. Maybe I was wrong, maybe I wasnt, it doesnt matter, we're still gonna have ta spend big bucks on cheater amps year after year to be competitive.
Like Lumel said if we opened up the classes we would just have bigger cheater amps instead of smaller cheater amps, took me a while to figure that one out but its true, pretty much a double edge sword either way we look at it.

The power classes will always be dominated by vets and cheater amps no matter what rule we put in so why even try to make it fair for the locals.
haha, we had this debate 3 years ago at the members meeting, I remember Ralph telling about the new ground pounders classes that were coming out that only local guys could compete in.
But then it somehow took off and it turned into a world final class called StreetBeat. To bad it got off track from it's original intentions.

what sony explode will hold up to what we do to amps???????

its not quality built i alwasys tell people you can buy that valfenhag if you want to but the time you replace the amp you could have has a good one that lasts longer and actually save money in the long run

i see where your coming from but you gotta see my view on this too.. kids dont know anything about impedence.. so therefore they just buy Dung Pile throw it in there and hope to be loud.. they dont have the money you do to spend on amps.. bottom line if u want more comp u gotta level the playin feild.. just think how much money we all save if we changed to true pwr.. but like i said i see ur view point..

thats why it is up to us to help these kids out with there inability to choose whats the best for them man doesnt have to be the best out there we are stewards of this org we should be the ones getting kids excited to do this.

at finals there was a local class offered for gusy without elaberate systems.

Evan isnt this your first year???????

zacdavis wrote:

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zacdavis
I had a few long discussions with a lot of competitors n people involved with USACi tonight and I must say, i'm exhausted.

I guess I'm just goin to have to come to realize(again like every year) that no matter what we do there will always be controversy in the classes that have power ratings. So no matter what we do we'll never be able to make it fair for the newbie low budget guys.
Even StreetBeat is pro-competitor dominated....honestly the way only I can get a local customer a trophy anymore is to hold my own event and put my own rating system together.
I don't know anymore.....i'm confused on what I think would help usaci and my customers.
I wish Streetbeat wasnt so popular at world because if we cut it from finals it would open the class back up to real newb's.
But that wouldnt work because from what I've seen SB has had the biggest turnouts at finals.

Oh well, I tried. Maybe I was wrong, maybe I wasnt, it doesnt matter, we're still gonna have ta spend big bucks on cheater amps year after year to be competitive.
Like Lumel said if we opened up the classes we would just have bigger cheater amps instead of smaller cheater amps, took me a while to figure that one out but its true, pretty much a double edge sword either way we look at it.

The power classes will always be dominated by vets and cheater amps no matter what rule we put in so why even try to make it fair for the locals.
haha, we had this debate 3 years ago at the members meeting, I remember Ralph telling about the new ground pounders classes that were coming out that only local guys could compete in.
But then it somehow took off and it turned into a world final class called StreetBeat. To bad it got off track from it's original intentions.

This is what I saw about street beat

Mike Jaffe wrote:

I'm guessing it's time for the old fart to chime in. As one of the authors of "Street Beat", I feel entitled to an opinion here.

First of all, SB is still working as it was intended. The basic premise was to answer all of the requests from our members to create a "music" competition format. When we wrote the rules for it, we were obsessed with keeping it simple in order to encourage participation in it. It appears we met that goal.

A good deal of the challenge to winning a SB contest is spending the time to find an appropriate song that works best in your existing system or re-tune the system to get as much SPL as possible from it for 30 seconds.

There have been several requests for USACi to produce an SB CD and make its use mandatory. As well, and as Ralph stated, there is also an overwhelming amount of opposition to it. Personally, I have mixed emotions regarding it. I am aware that producing a worthwhile SB CD is very costly. There are many fees to be paid to the artists and record companies as well as the actual production of it.. Then, if the CD is not well accepted, its sales would be poor and the money and time wasted. In my humble opinion, it would also deter from the enjoyment of searching for "the best of the best" songs for your particular system.

yea.. whats this gotta do with anything?

did you show up to finals on 6 sony explode 12's and a sony explode amp??????

kenny u have pm

ha.. no no.. i had x 10's on 4 1200.1's.. fortunatly money was good enough this year and i had a decent job to pay for all my equipment.. but many kids my age dont have the 6 grand i spent this year..

right but you also did not just pick your setup ot of the air man you was guided to it correct

Gentlemen, the new classes are not in stone. This is an effort to get some input. Will be working with rules and ethics MONDAY and will make a final decision before the end of the day.

gooooooooooooooooood deal

whats your take on the ones that want to see a differant way of deciding power ????????

i was guided by the best.. thankfuly i met up with these guys and i had the money.. but not everyone is like this..

true pwr man.. but im in street beat.. and im sure the new cd will prolly have like disney music on it to level the playin field out.. but hey its supposes to get more ppl then so be it

nope some do save up, and obtain what they want others would rather smoke/drink/go to strip clubs and waiste there cash so I commend you for doing somethhing that actually benefits you and does not eventually become negative

sanman wrote:

gooooooooooooooooood deal

whats your take on the ones that want to see a differant way of deciding power ????????

4ohm, two ohm, one ohm, etc are all the same. Calling a car an automobile or a pesonal conveyance does not change what it is. its still a car.

max rms is 4ohm multiplied by the proper number to account for impedance. Same problems, different names.