power classes

be open minded dont kill me on this one , this is only meant to stop the arguing about 12 volt or 16 volt , also what amp is legal or not . this is only an idea , would this bring new blood into sport by making it less expensive .it make it a more even playing field and make it about the build.....again only an idea . looking for you to chose not flame...

Clamped power is better for all ! What good is a 0-600 class when the amps are putting out 1000000 wats?

I agree, Clamp em. No cheater amps lol

clamed or leave it alone i mean ya i dont want to go up against some one with 16k rated with my 4k rated its a no braner to me

DO NOT CLAMP POWER> might as well call it midwestspl. i dont like the idea. i think id leave usaci honestly. id just go drag. from what ive heard it seems like people are trying to make USACi into midwestspl/dbdrag

ok all the way it looks like its ganna go is reganal and finals events thay are ganna clamp everything and keep it the 4 ohm rating basickly if u got 10k and in 0-600 stock and u clamp out 3000 watts the 4 ohm rating will be 1500 and u will not be able to compet in 0-600 thats basicly how it looks like it will go but the bald man said its not final untiel it is posted

thats what i heard also

Where was this said? Is usaci following midwestspl?

it was said at the mebers meeting and today at the show in fayettevill so we will se what happens alot of the guys are saying that thay dont like the cheater amps

horrible idea.

TECH114 wrote:

Where was this said? Is usaci following midwestspl?

its becoing midwestspl/dbdrag from what ive heard may happen

i don't see why this would be a big deal for anyone it will just show who can really build now and don't have to use cheater amps i love it

basickly its throwing it in ower court to build better set ups to put up the crazy numbers in the classes we run but also i think its gana put a cap on what db will happen in each class, not like we dont already have a dung pill of money in the builds not tryen to start anything but i thought i would throw it out there so every one will know what might happen so that the ones that didnt get to go to the meeting wont be suprized

thats true now its up to a build and not a Dung Pile load of power

Some will always cry about something. What will it be next?

only people i see pissing and moaning about this is the ones that are already loud so whats the big deal

i could really care less what happens i'm pleased with my build and the compliments i get on it

yep i know what u mean there might be some fealers hurt but u know u cant make every one happy hell i havent been able to put up a 55 yet and alot of guys im going against are a 63-65 or so but oh well

oh i happy with mine as well i turn some heads and have some that say ya ya heck this is my first year competavly doing it and im here for fun when i stop having fun then im out

TECH114 wrote:

Some will always cry about something. What will it be next?

yep if they cant get loud "Female dog" about something to try and make stuff more "equal" some are just more equal then others. next year after crxs dominate all classes people will "Female dog" and moan about having a crx only class lol.

yes there was talks about that as well and a s10 class as well so that probly wont happen thins year but it is very possable it may happen later on

thats funny actually. sad really

lol

LOL Better make an Astro class too.

I dont like the idea of Clamped Power classes if the reason is because people STILL think there are "cheater amps". Its called new technology. I understand wanting clamped power classes because then you could purchase 4 boss amps instead of one good amp. You would DEF. have to have amp limits for sure IMO.

The problem i see could be manufacture support. They would have no reason on the competition side of things to push technology and make a better, more effecient amp for certain power classes like they do for us now.
The only up side i can think of is that if you had a 4000W clamped power class, you could run 2 - 5KW amps at 2 ohm each. Cleaner power, Better Damping factor..

Also, If they EVER decide to create a class for a certain car/truck/van.. They should change the sanction from USACI to CRY BaBY inc...

did you go to any off the members meetings ? no one likes change , but some times it is necessary , as far as wanting to be like midwest spl , thats not what its about , they changed it up so as to stay true to the 4ohm rated idea , so i guess only one org should use a termlab then , and only one org should count subs , etcc... WAKE UP ...

aho77 wrote:

ok all the way it looks like its ganna go is reganal and finals events thay are ganna clamp everything and keep it the 4 ohm rating basickly if u got 10k and in 0-600 stock and u clamp out 3000 watts the 4 ohm rating will be 1500 and u will not be able to compet in 0-600 thats basicly how it looks like it will go but the bald man said its not final untiel it is posted

I think what you meant was that if you clamp 3000@1ohm your 4 ohm rating would be 750 so you could not be in 0-600 based on what Darville was saying in Atlantic.

The problem I have with this, and correct me if I’m wrong, but Darville brought up something like this and said if you have a 600 watt amp you cannot clamp more than 2400 watts at 1 ohm and also that you can’t go lower than 1 ohm. So what happens if I do run my amps at under 1 ohm, does that mean I’m automatically disqualified and moved to unlimited because I tried to get as much as possible out of my amps and they do 4200 @ .625 ohms? For those of you who say yes, which I think will be very few, did you know that according to USACi’s math of dividing by 2 (see chart below) this is still only 2400 @ 1 ohm.

So now we can’t run our amps under 1 ohm, whats next, will we say you can only send less than 2v signal to our amps next?

To say one cannot run there amps under 1 ohm is just ridiculous, then it becomes who can by the woofers with the perfect coils to get that perfect rise, if that’s the case does anyone know where I can buy some dual .8 woofers, because that is what I’ll need to get the perfect rise to 1. Yes I know they can be bought, but can I get dual .8’s in an everyday woofer a shop sells?

So anywho, am I saying clamped power is totally bad, no, just pointing out the obvious. Clamped power is ok, but if we do it the right way you must still allow people to run at whatever ohm load they want, here I even made up this nice little chart so you can see what power wise it'd look like for those who want to run under 1 ohm ohm and still would equal 600 watts at 4 ohm according to usaci method of 100% effeciancy.


1 ohm 2400
.975 ohm 2550
.94375 ohm 2700
.90625 ohm 2850
.875 ohm 3000
.84375 ohm 3150
.8125 ohm 3300
.78125 ohm 3450
.75 ohm 3600
.7125 ohm 3750
.68125 ohm 3900
.656625 ohm 4050
.625 ohm 4200
.59375 ohm 4350
.5625 ohm 4500
.503125 ohm 4650
.5 ohm 4800

So there you have it, that would be the chart for those who want to run a 600 watt amp under 1 ohm, but wait where is the chart for 900 watt amps, or 500 watt amps, see where this is going, to many charts, to much to keep track of, to much confussion, how do you make a new person understand it all or even an event director?

So;

#1 To say I can’t run my amp under 1 ohm, well that’s just stupid for someone to tell me what ohm load I can and can’t run my amp at.

#2 If I can run my amp under 1 ohm these charts get to confusing for your average everyday person, shop, new competitor to understand, not to mention the effects that weather and coil temperature play on impedence rise and trying to keep a new person up to speed. One time they might rise to .9, the next to 1.03.

#3 If you say well you can run under 1 ohm, but you just can do more than 2400 watts (based on a 600 watt amp) well that’s just stupid too to tell me I can’t run my amp to it’s full potential, Hell what about amps that have a USACi certified rating, If USACi stands 110% behind these ratings then why would it need to be clamped to see what it does?

#4 If we do go to clamped power, which I doubt will happen, but if we do, then just throw all amp ratings out the window, get rid of amp limits all together, get rid of all voltage limits except 18v and say something like 0-2000, 2001-4000, 4001-6000, and 6001+, that’s just an idea on power class, but if we want real power vs real power, get rid of amp limits, amp ratings, and who the hell cares if your amp does 2400 @ .5 ohm, or 2400 @ 8 ohm, its still the same power no matter how you get there, that is the only true way to get watt vs watt.

And all these comments coming from a guy doing unlimited next year, lol.

Any thoughts or comments?

Wait a min, I just realized something, we would need one of the charts I posted above for those people playing over 1 ohm too, so even if you do say no lower than 1 ohm, well we still need a chart, because 2400 @1.25 ohm, well that would be more than 600 @4, so we would need the chart so everyone knows at 1.25 ohm you can only have 2100 watts and 1.5 ohm 1800 etc etc, i mean that is if you do it 100% the correct way USACi does it to ascertain the 4 ohm rating

And if you say well that doesnt matter because its as long as it's not over 2400 well, well ya it does, because 2400 @1.5 would be way more than 600 @ 4 ohm,

so ya, just to make things simplist if we do clamp, just get rid of ohm ratings and amp ratings all together, its the only easy way to do it, and do 100% clamped power in whatver watt increments seems best for the competitors, 0-2000 2001-???? whatever is best, it would be the only realistic way to do clamped power

the ability for them to manage this is of high concern, we still have problems day to day getting normal Dung Pile taken care of,. How in the hell is this gonna get done. Is everyone in usaci gonna be certified to use the equipment and understand it. and have the same equipment. If your gonna clamp gotta use reliable equipment. Fluke 337 and fluke DMMs. period

and usaci is set up on rms power so are they gonna multiply peak hold number by .707? or are we going to peak power...

i dont give a flying poopy either way, i will just go to the unlimited class. personally i say if your gonna do it, do it in stock leave all else be.

So "clamped Power" only means they want to clamp the amp at 4ohm to test the rating?