2009 power classes.

First topic message reminder :

Despite all the class changes some things have remained the same.
1. Modified with the below poer classes us still the most popular and competed in division
2. Pro Stock and Super Modified are empty at most events and not much more that that at Finals.



POWER CLASSES:
Stock:
0 – 1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001-4000 watts (max 6 amplifiers)
4001-up watts (unlimited)

Pro Stock: Open Power at 1x and 2x events
0–1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001–up watts (unlimited amplifiers)

Modified:
0 – 1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001-4000 watts (max 6 amplifiers)
4001-up watts (unlimited)

Super Modified: Regular, double and triple point events - Open power class
0 - 2000 watts (Max 4 Amplifiers)
2001 – up watts


Street Beat Classes to reamin the same. Street Beat WILL BE added to the rule book and USACI GENERAL RULES will appy to any gray area.

bassahaulic wrote:

There's alot I want to say to this, I just don't know how to word it.

I feel like, I shouldn't have to compete against someone who has been around for decades and can build monster boxes that are super efficient, and knows tricks and little things to boost SPL, when newer people don't know how to do either yet. I hate to sound like the newb of the discussion, I just don't think it would be right.

Keep the "Pros" separate from the normal people by keeping the Pro classes.

gignmofo wrote:

"if you can do a 160db with crx on a 1000 dollar system" you would be a master builder.

Stuff like that, I have no idea how i would go about doing a 160 with only $1000.

Unfortunately thats part of competition. You'll have to work to find what works for you and your car. Thats what we did.
I'm not saying you should have to do it on your own, in fact most of us are here to help you, we want to see you succeed in USACi.

But at the same time I see your frustration. But no matter what you'll have to go against guy who can build great systems, even if they are true newbs, they'll be on somebodies team or have a vet build for them.
I have a serious question for you..
Would you feel better knowing that you were in a class that no matter who was in it, they could only spend a certain amount of money?, that way your not having to spend thousands looking fo the biggest cheater amps and what not.
Or, asked differently, would you feel more comfortable in a class where nobody could spend over $500?

I know that's a part of it. And I'm more then ready to just be decimated by people who have been around a while.

I would feel a little better, but that's a part of it I think, being able to work with what you can get. Being 16, it's hard to get money but I manage to do decently at comps with seconds and thirds. It would be hard to do a class like that for people who don't have much money, it can easily cost more then $1000 on a new system with wire/subs/amps/batts and everything else. And no one these days will pay MSRP, deals are just to easy to get. Even at 16, I get deals from some companies.

I would feel better, but I just don't see it working. I'm happy with USACI format now.

zacdavis wrote:

IMPOSSIBLE to police.

Like Phinney said, even if we mandated everybody to bring a receipt they could be fakes.

There is no way of policing this well enough, It will only hurt the honest people and the others who're not will have an advantage.

This rule would Unlevel the playing field. The intent is good, but not a realistic way to separate pros from stockers.

Stop classifying competitors on an individual basis, instead classify the competitors by their vehicle!!!!!

agreed

bassahaulic wrote:

I know that's a part of it. And I'm more then ready to just be decimated by people who have been around a while.

I would feel a little better, but that's a part of it I think, being able to work with what you can get. Being 16, it's hard to get money but I manage to do decently at comps with seconds and thirds. It would be hard to do a class like that for people who don't have much money, it can easily cost more then $1000 on a new system with wire/subs/amps/batts and everything else. And no one these days will pay MSRP, deals are just to easy to get. Even at 16, I get deals from some companies.

I would feel better, but I just don't see it working. I'm happy with USACI format now.

Ok, I'm confused. So you do like the idea of only having to spend $500 bucks because its hard for you to get money...so you would feel better, but you don't see it working and you like the format as it is now?

Help me out here i'm not understanding what your saying.

Wait, I think I see what your saying now....

You won't have to pay MSRP for your equipment, you can still buy it on E-bay...whether or not you pay 10 bucks or a hundred bucks, the MSRP of the equipment you are using is what the class goes by.

So lets say you had a pair of 12's that MSRP for 150 each and an amp that MSRPs for 200.
Thats $500, and you could run in the 0-500class

...it wouldnt matter if you get those 150 dollar subs for 50 bucks off Ebay.

But do we calculate in the price or Wire/Batts/Wood ETC.??

wire wood wouldn't count, Batteries would if they weren't "stock" to the vehicle.

gignmofo wrote:

wire wood wouldn't count, Batteries would if they weren't "stock" to the vehicle.

Wood, wires, the batt in the factory location, none of it would count.
It wouldnt matter if you use a Kinetik or Optima in the factory location either, that wouldnt be part of the system because its in the factory location.
But if you added an extra battery or batteries, then they would count towards the system's value.

(The reason I think we should be able to upgrade the factory batt in the factory location without having it's cost factored in to the system is because its to hard to know which car came with what kind of batt and......................uh oh!, I just thought of a cheat....how do we police people who upgrade their alts? They can look factory but put out a lot of power.
hmm, the only thing I could think of is to only let them burp the cars with the engine off but that would suck. )

With a $500-$1000 limit in the class would an alternator upgrade even help them? How much power can you buy for $500 including your subs? What like $1200 watts....maybe, I don't think a high output alt is really going to do much at that level.

mschwitz wrote:

With a $500-$1000 limit in the class would an alternator upgrade even help them? How much power can you buy for $500 including your subs? What like $1200 watts....maybe, I don't think a high output alt is really going to do much at that level.

good point

USACI wrote:

Despite all the class changes some things have remained the same.
1. Modified with the below poer classes us still the most popular and competed in division
2. Pro Stock and Super Modified are empty at most events and not much more that that at Finals.



POWER CLASSES:
Stock:
0 – 1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001-4000 watts (max 6 amplifiers)
4001-up watts (unlimited)

Pro Stock: Open Power at 1x and 2x events
0–1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001–up watts (unlimited amplifiers)

Modified:
0 – 1000 watts (max 2 amplifiers)
1001-2000 watts (max 4 amplifiers)
2001-4000 watts (max 6 amplifiers)
4001-up watts (unlimited)

Super Modified: Regular, double and triple point events - Open power class
0 - 2000 watts (Max 4 Amplifiers)
2001 – up watts


Street Beat Classes to reamin the same. Street Beat WILL BE added to the rule book and USACI GENERAL RULES will appy to any gray area.

Why change the power classes from 600 to 1000?

Zac, by the looks of the rest of the classes, then this would be the easiest way for a member to run their class and be able to do a higher class(es) with the same power.

cliff notes of last 30 pages?

Johncarr wrote:

Zac, by the looks of the rest of the classes, then this would be the easiest way for a member to run their class and be able to do a higher class(es) with the same power.

I don't understand?

Example

Two 2000d's @ 500w @4 Ohms

Members in Stock 0-1000 watts class could jump into ProStock 0-1000 watts and Mod 0-1000 watts classes without changing a single thing.

I see whatchu mean now...
Would it be easier to just change mod to 0-600 like stock and pro already is?

NO. Leave mod the way it is.

Cool, why change them at all?