Street Beat Options - Vote!

We have two options for the music in Street Beat.

1. Only use the current USACI SPL CD - Music tracks only

2. Only music available through national retailers. The music must contain a discernable bass beat or rhythm (not a tone). The music must contain non-computer generated vocals. (Must be a SONG)


We will conclude the poll at Kickoff on Sunday. Majority wins it.

You get my message mr ralph?

i think the usac cd is the best option for policing

I think forcing people to use the usaci cd will take away some of the original intent of street beat. At least in our area, a lot of new guys like the class because they can play a song that they know hits on their system, play things that they ride around listening to everyday.

Perhaps this should be one of the first items on the competitor committee agenda for discussion?

I think we all know whats legal and not legal

I would love for Usaci to say that "X" CD can not be used.

The loud as hell CD for me is ify. The one used at finals was a joke IMO.

Maybe make the SB5 guys use a Usaci CD and others not

Street Beat should be about daily drivers and what they listen too, not listening to something thats going against the rules.

i dont think the same, i think the commercially bought cds but enforce it better would be better, some people like me spent all year listening to actual tracks trying to find something that worked well and i loved doing that, now say they have the spl cd, he did not say street beat cd, he said spl cd, how many music tracks are on there? not that many which would make it to where someone could very easily take that cd and build a system around just that cd, wheras if you have a variety of music but it must be actual tracks then more people, even newcomers would like to try it, and possibly get into it since every song is different and no matter what freq. they are tuned to if they search hard enough they can find a track that works for them, remember this is all in my own opionion. all year last year i experimented with songs and to tell you the truth lil jon worked best with my setup. but thats what makes street beat fun, as long as people dont do like they did at finals and use one song and thats what took home the trophies, like i said in my own opinion

why it doesnt force spl competitors out by making us use the damm cd we use it it also has tracks that you can taylor a sb setup to so whats the differance this is the point in time you cut it off and take all the grey area's out of the equation by saying the usac cd is what ure going to use, and if you dont do this then there will always bee issues in this format

dBSteve wrote:

I think we all know whats legal and not legal

I would love for Usaci to say that "X" CD can not be used.

The loud as hell CD for me is ify. The one used at finals was a joke IMO.

Maybe make the SB5 guys use a Usaci CD and others not

Street Beat should be about daily drivers and what they listen too, not listening to something thats going against the rules.

i agree, it is what is listened to daily and most people dont ride around listneing to the usaci spl cd daily

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Subject: Re: Street Beat Options - Vote! Today at 4:55 pm

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i dont think the same, i think the commercially bought cds but enforce it better would be better, some people like me spent all year listening to actual tracks trying to find something that worked well and i loved doing that, now say they have the spl cd, he did not say street beat cd, he said spl cd, how many music tracks are on there? not that many which would make it to where someone could very easily take that cd and build a system around just that cd, wheras if you have a variety of music but it must be actual tracks then more people, even newcomers would like to try it, and possibly get into it since every song is different and no matter what freq. they are tuned to if they search hard enough they can find a track that works for them, remember this is all in my own opionion. all year last year i experimented with songs and to tell you the truth lil jon worked best with my setup. but thats what makes street beat fun, as long as people dont do like they did at finals and use one song and thats what took home the trophies, like i said in my own opinion




if you do not police it up now what happend at finals isnt all that hard to duplicate and being you are someone in this position to feel like you got screwed over at finals then get use to it cause it will happen time and time again. Them cd's were this years cheater amps

neither, i think we need an official usaci sb disc in addition to the one we have now, have a variety of songs on there, not just the ten or however many bass tracks that are on the usaci cd now.

maybe open up a topic for dicussion as to the tracks that be on that disc. tracks decided on by the competitors for the competitors. same type criteria as you have above, with final approval on the songs by usaci


also i think it was brought up before, let the competitor use whatever they want (song wise with lyrics) at single and double point events, then the must use a usaci cd at 3x and up events. acceptable cds for single and doubles would be at the descrestion of the head judge at that event.

i know it might take some time to put a cd together, but i think would be well worth it

i just dont like the idea of using the current usaci cd, but at the same time, i don't like the second choice either because i belive there would still be gray areas people could get into

kickercrx wrote:

neither, i think we need an official usaci sb disc in addition to the one we have now, have a variety of songs on there, not just the ten or however many bass tracks that are on the usaci cd now.

maybe open up a topic for dicussion as to the tracks that be on that disc. tracks decided on by the competitors for the competitors. same type criteria as you have above, with final approval on the songs by usaci


also i think it was brought up before, let the competitor use whatever they want (song wise with lyrics) at single and double point events, then the must use a usaci cd at 3x and up events. acceptable cds for single and doubles would be at the descrestion of the head judge at that event.

i know it might take some time to put a cd together, but i think would be well worth it

i just dont like the idea of using the current usaci cd, but at the same time, i don't like the second choice either because i belive there would still be gray areas people could get into

yeah i think a sb cd would be cool as well but the spl cd tracks arent that great for street beat use and like i said before i dunno too many ppl. riding around listening to that. but a sb cd with about 20 tracks on it would be very intresting to see

an official usac sb cd sounds good as well nice suggestion chad you airforce poser

i do agree with chad on his idea.............have competitors pick out some different songs for a general CD then make that the official CD for 3X and up shows any Music cd for 1X and 2X shows

SB cd would be the best. Problem is, commercial music will cost as much as $25,000 per track. Pandics may be willing to make a deal but it would be bass cd's, not commercial.

how about common sense? sometimes that isnt' even cheap

All Usaci would have to do is say,( example ): " Loud as hell CD can't be used "

Just keep record of what can't be used in a subboard of the Street Beat forum.

word will spread fast and people will know what they can and can't use.

This is the best and cheapest way IMO

A SB CD may be cool and all, but not for the daily driver or newb kid on the street.

I really didn’t want to get into this discussion, but based on some of the comments so far, I’d feel remiss if I didn’t.

I for one don’t think there’s anything drastically wrong with Street Beat as it is now, with the exception of some of the tracks that we’ve (USACi show promoters) have allowed competitors to use. Hell, truth be known, I’ve encouraged guys to use them to increase their scores. I am not without fault!

What Jeff Sanford is saying is absolutely true. Setting up for Street Beat isn’t a whole lot different than for Outlaw SPL. Find a song with an obnoxious bass note that plays for 30 seconds or more and tune your system accordingly, and you are a serious Street Beat competitor. Not much different than a system set up to be competitive in Outlaw SPL.

Is there someone out there that can convince me that he or she runs around town listening to D J Magic Mike playing a 3 minute long bass tone? Not music, not something with some rhythm or vocals but a silly sounding, long assed bass note? C’mon guys, let’s at least offer something a little more sensible to debate.

This is one of those rare times that I agree with Ralph. You are being given a choice. If it were me in his position, I would probably just pick criteria to outlaw songs with and case closed. But you are being given a chance to choose whether that’s what you prefer or whether to just use one or more of the 8 songs on the current Outlaw SPL CD.

Yes, if you’ve been using a song (I use the term loosely) with a tone in it, your score will likely go down some. On the other hand, so will everyone else’s. And with all the talent that we have in USACi’s membership ranks, I’m certain that you’ll still build some damned awesome scoring vehicles.

Flame away.

Why change something thats working?

What I cant figure out,I'm slow ok,Is why are people bi****n about other people using a CD that they themselves can buy,why lay blame on USACI for allowing it,and competitors for using it.Go out and buy it and poof you have the same advantage,if thats what you want to call it.

because it defeats the original intension of this class. a 30 sec burp isnt what it was supposed to be.and i could care less im not in sb. but thats the facts

HellRzR wrote:

because it defeats the original intension of this class. a 30 sec burp isnt what it was supposed to be.and i could care less im not in sb. but thats the facts

Absolutely! We offered Street Beat as a music format to be added to our Outlaw SPL format.

OK,pick out the tracks w/out test tones as previous stated and make an additio to the present USACI CD and use it,instead of the judges having to police each and every CD that comes in the lanes.I don't run SB either,was,but that may change if it's that much discrepency on music selection,hate to have a stack of CD's to use for each class you run.

kickercrx wrote:

neither, i think we need an official usaci sb disc in addition to the one we have now, have a variety of songs on there, not just the ten or however many bass tracks that are on the usaci cd now.

maybe open up a topic for dicussion as to the tracks that be on that disc. tracks decided on by the competitors for the competitors. same type criteria as you have above, with final approval on the songs by usaci


also i think it was brought up before, let the competitor use whatever they want (song wise with lyrics) at single and double point events, then the must use a usaci cd at 3x and up events. acceptable cds for single and doubles would be at the descrestion of the head judge at that event.

i know it might take some time to put a cd together, but i think would be well worth it

i just dont like the idea of using the current usaci cd, but at the same time, i don't like the second choice either because i belive there would still be gray areas people could get into

x 1 million. A dedicated streetbeat cd would be best. The current spl cd doesn't have enough to offer.

exactly what i was saying, all the new comers and daily cars wont like it, here where i live most everyone has daily cars, so it gives them a chance to compete

sanman wrote:

why it doesnt force spl competitors out by making us use the damm cd we use it it also has tracks that you can taylor a sb setup to so whats the differance this is the point in time you cut it off and take all the grey area's out of the equation by saying the usac cd is what ure going to use, and if you dont do this then there will always bee issues in this format

Agreed 100%. Grey areas have been a problem in the past for this sport. Outlaw CD would surely level the playing field

Matt_Sibley wrote:

I think forcing people to use the usaci cd will take away some of the original intent of street beat. At least in our area, a lot of new guys like the class because they can play a song that they know hits on their system, play things that they ride around listening to everyday.

Perhaps this should be one of the first items on the competitor committee agenda for discussion?

Agree

USACI wrote:

SB cd would be the best. Problem is, commercial music will cost as much as $25,000 per track. Pandics may be willing to make a deal but it would be bass cd's, not commercial.

thats understood........something like one of them mix cds would be awesome.....but price wise probably just better allowing commercial cds eliminate the idea of tone "music"........ single out those cds/songs....

Mike Jaffe wrote:

I really didn’t want to get into this discussion, but based on some of the comments so far, I’d feel remiss if I didn’t.

I for one don’t think there’s anything drastically wrong with Street Beat as it is now, with the exception of some of the tracks that we’ve (USACi show promoters) have allowed competitors to use. Hell, truth be known, I’ve encouraged guys to use them to increase their scores. I am not without fault!

What Jeff Sanford is saying is absolutely true. Setting up for Street Beat isn’t a whole lot different than for Outlaw SPL. Find a song with an obnoxious bass note that plays for 30 seconds or more and tune your system accordingly, and you are a serious Street Beat competitor. Not much different than a system set up to be competitive in Outlaw SPL.

Is there someone out there that can convince me that he or she runs around town listening to D J Magic Mike playing a 3 minute long bass tone? Not music, not something with some rhythm or vocals but a silly sounding, long assed bass note? C’mon guys, let’s at least offer something a little more sensible to debate.

This is one of those rare times that I agree with Ralph. You are being given a choice. If it were me in his position, I would probably just pick criteria to outlaw songs with and case closed. But you are being given a chance to choose whether that’s what you prefer or whether to just use one or more of the 8 songs on the current Outlaw SPL CD.

Yes, if you’ve been using a song (I use the term loosely) with a tone in it, your score will likely go down some. On the other hand, so will everyone else’s. And with all the talent that we have in USACi’s membership ranks, I’m certain that you’ll still build some damned awesome scoring vehicles.

Flame away.

this guy has got some sence.... "there" scores would also go down if they are policed the same.

i think usaci inconsistency was tha problem. i say since certain cd's were allowed why change it now.Or just outlaw the "loud as hell" cd and the "so loud it hertz" cd...Makeing people use one certain cd would take alot of the fun out of it. Finding a good song is alot of the challange. we just got out of hand last year... I say tighten it up some and lets run it back

towboatbobby wrote:

What I cant figure out,I'm slow ok,Is why are people bi****n about other people using a CD that they themselves can buy,why lay blame on USACI for allowing it,and competitors for using it.Go out and buy it and poof you have the same advantage,if thats what you want to call it.

cause that cd wasn't available like people say it was being sold at finals and only certain people got it...

i got it now!

how many ppl do you know got pissed and never comp. again because a person was using a cd like loud as hell and the "other cd"? how many local guys did sb at finals?? any and every cd should be used in sb. what if i dont like "rap" or "rock" define music!!! i listen to bass cds all the time. acually i listen to so loud it hurts and the "other" cd almost daily. lets just get this crap on the move so i can yeild the same results!