Question about going back to Stock

So since I no longer work for a manufacture and most likely heading back to the Aerospace industry ... can I now compete in stock? I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says I have to wait two years or anything like that.

So per the rules as I read them ... I can I think. Not sure if that is right though, but that is how I read the rules.

I think in the past they've applied the sound Q ruling on going back from Pro. I'm not sure though, this would need to be addressed by the main office as I believe you are correct. I don't see anything in the SPL rules about it.

ok im confused.. i thought if you were a pro you had a two year wait... to go back in..
but no idea on the sq part i guess.

well i think this stock prostock stuff is bs..and there should be a stock 16v and stock 12v...let everyone play where they want...sorry to jump your thread gabe..

ive heard a 2 year period but ive never seen the rule. probably just something you would have to ask ralph in a pm or call the home office.

The way I see it ... if it isn't in the rules ... it isn't a rule. I am not saying that I will do it for sure, but at least the option is open to me now.

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

The way I see it ... if it isn't in the rules ... it isn't a rule. I am not saying that I will do it for sure, but at least the option is open to me now.

In my humble opinion, you are 1000% correct. If it isn't in the rules, it's not a rule! This discussion has gone on since the beginning of time but the office has merely opted not to get involved.

Here's how it is: If you show up Sunday at the Cardenal show, and a new rule regarding the Pro/Consumer thing hasn't been posted into the rule book ... you may run in a consumer class.

gigidy gigidy

A USACI competitor must compete in the Pro Stock division if he or she meets one or more of the following conditions:
· He or she works for a car audio dealer, manufacturer or distributor, or
· Receives financial compensation for using a specific manufacturer’s equipment, or
· Receives free equipment or equipment for less than 50% of MSRP from a reseller and/or manufacturer, or
· A competitor’s immediate family member meets one or both of the previous conditions or
· A competitor who does not meet any of the previous conditions may compete in Pro Stock by choice.

It has always been you must be out of the industry for at least 1 year, and apply to rules and ethics for reinstatement to stock class. Also if you were givin any accomadation pricing that keeps you in pro as well or any discounts. If you are laid off then if you get unemployment from Pioneer that is still the same.

once again...LETS GET RID OF STOCK......AND MAKE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO PLAY 12V PLAY THERE AND 16V CAN PLAY THERE WITH NO WAITING PERIOD...NO BS PEOPLE HIDDING, NO NOTHIN...COME ONE COME ALL...BEST OF THE BEST VERSE THE BEST OF THE BEST..

USACI MD wrote:

A USACI competitor must compete in the Pro Stock division if he or she meets one or more of the following conditions:
· He or she works for a car audio dealer, manufacturer or distributor, or
· Receives financial compensation for using a specific manufacturer’s equipment, or
· Receives free equipment or equipment for less than 50% of MSRP from a reseller and/or manufacturer, or
· A competitor’s immediate family member meets one or both of the previous conditions or
· A competitor who does not meet any of the previous conditions may compete in Pro Stock by choice.

It has always been you must be out of the industry for at least 1 year, and apply to rules and ethics for reinstatement to stock class. Also if you were givin any accomadation pricing that keeps you in pro as well or any discounts. If you are laid off then if you get unemployment from Pioneer that is still the same.

SO VERY WELL PUT..... BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 96 GUYS COME ON NOW....... And im sorry but i got to get this off my chest so sorry if it offends but well ohhhhhhhhh well..... I look at it this way if you RUN back to Stock after being in mod or pro or supermod to me WELL ITS COWARDLY PERIOD.... That is the most rediculas thing i have ever seen ppl do and it happens all the time actually...... Gabe your my boy so dont take that personally but i dont think its fair at all..... Especially with you SKILLS..... Your a loud mofo and thats that.

Now on the other hand i think its very cowardly for some of the ones that still to this day stay in stock only , Does it really make yall that are in stock feel good to beat up on the new guy??????

Anyway just had to let that out.. But if they allow it F U C K IT YA KNOW .... AND GO FOR IT.

I can agree Jimbo some people been in stock a little too long, It's time to take the balls out of the purse and be somebody

opinions or thoughts of the rules and what the rules actually state are completely different . we can have all the opinions in the world about whats right or wrong . if its not in the rules , how can any judge enforce ideas , thoughts or opinions of others when its not in the rules ?????????? magistrate judges run into this all the time . i understand, respect opinions , and interpretations . however how can USACI enforce rules that are pulled out of thin air ??

WOW, Mikey. Is this the same Mike Jaffe that demands obeying rules, that allows competitors to use a burned disc ?????? roflmao Glad` to see you take over as the "office
has opted not to get involved"" Oh, and by the way , while you have taken control, can I have a raise that Ralph has opted not to give any director, ???? [ except maybe you, roflmao ]

Its obviously a misprint [ or accidental omission ] of the rules, as they have been there since day one, maybe a call to the office might have cleared`things up a bit for you. Mike Daville posted it as it always was and still is, whether or not it had been accidently omitted from the rewrite of rules

Gabe, just send in a request to change your status from Pro to Consumer along with your reason for such action.

USACI MD wrote:

A USACI competitor must compete in the Pro Stock division if he or she meets one or more of the following conditions:
· He or she works for a car audio dealer, manufacturer or distributor, or
· Receives financial compensation for using a specific manufacturer’s equipment, or
· Receives free equipment or equipment for less than 50% of MSRP from a reseller and/or manufacturer, or
· A competitor’s immediate family member meets one or both of the previous conditions or
· A competitor who does not meet any of the previous conditions may compete in Pro Stock by choice.

It has always been you must be out of the industry for at least 1 year, and apply to rules and ethics for reinstatement to stock class. Also if you were givin any accomadation pricing that keeps you in pro as well or any discounts. If you are laid off then if you get unemployment from Pioneer that is still the same.

There's a perfect example of of a rule "interpretation". Only a part of what iyou wrote is IN OUTLAW SPL THE RULE BOOK. Again, if it's not in the rule book ... it ain't a rule.

Whoa there big feller, Mike D posted the rules as it always was

Gabe, I just spoke to Ralph about this situation. Please call him before competing as a consumer in stock.

USACiSE wrote:

WOW, Mikey. Is this the same Mike Jaffe that demands obeying rules, that allows competitors to use a burned disc ?????? roflmao Glad` to see you take over as the "office
has opted not to get involved"" Oh, and by the way , while you have taken control, can I have a raise that Ralph has opted not to give any director, ???? [ except maybe you, roflmao ]

Its obviously a misprint [ or accidental omission ] of the rules, as they have been there since day one, maybe a call to the office might have cleared`things up a bit for you. Mike Daville posted it as it always was and still is, whether or not it had been accidently omitted from the rewrite of rules

Gabe, just send in a request to change your status from Pro to Consumer along with your reason for such action.

As part of my "takeover" I am doubling your pay. As for Mike's quoting of rules, I would love to have affix a page number to what he wrote so that we could all see it. As for the "fact" (Jimbo's quote) that this has been the rule since way back, I can't find it in any of my old Outlaw SPL rule books. If it was somehow omitted from the rules, let's see it remitted.

Look, all my displeasure isn't only regarding Gabe's question ... personally, I don't believe he'd enter a Consumer division ... but rather that we've been trying to get the Trunk Division rules entered into the book, but so far to no avail. We now allegedly have a World Rwcord holder in that division and the division doesn't even exist. The rules are in the rule books, not the forum!

True, no one should have a World Record in a class with no rules.
I agree, all classes and categories at any USACi event, be listed in the rule book. Trunk is not a sanctioned USACi class yet !!!
And as such should not be offered, same with fun run, legal, local, run what you brung , etc. I doubt that offering non sanctioned classes to dealers will will affect their decsion to host a USACi event, rather push them to go with a non sanctioned org.


PS: thanks for the raise, roflmao

USACiSE wrote:

True, no one should have a World Record in a class with no rules.
I agree, all classes and categories at any USACi event, be listed in the rule book. Trunk is not a sanctioned USACi class yet !!!
And as such should not be offered, same with fun run, legal, local, run what you brung , etc. I doubt that offering non sanctioned classes to dealers will will affect their decsion to host a USACi event, rather push them to go with a non sanctioned org.


PS: thanks for the raise, roflmao

Okay, wanna kiss and make up? Oh wait! Jimbo and Darville will get jealous.

Hmmmm, Darville has had a pretty big smile since finals. Nice going Jimbo !!!!! lmao

It is very simple in my book. If it is unwritten then it isn't a rule. So I am sorry, I don't feel the need to call the office to "request" that I be given the right to compete in stock. It is not in the rules, and unless and official statement comes out that says it is official and WILL be added to the rule book, then this discussion is a mute point. It isn't in the rules now, all this crap about it was this way since the dark ages don't mean anything to me if it isn't in the rule book WE ALL HAVE TO ABIDE BY!

For the record I don't think I would ever compete in a stock division. But I know that I can just to put another competitor that belongs in ProStock as much as I do in his/her place if need be.

I mean this in a good way though. It seems as if the competitor committee was a dead end, so maybe I can make things happen a different way

This was in the rule book. There was a period when we had hlep withthe rule book and several things dissapeared. This is one of them. will be updated by the weekend on the web site.

Im already in prostock Gabe so no need to go the extra mile at all lol

That i can understand Gabe....... But the ones your talking about going after are the exact ones i was bitttchen about bro. Not you , unless you actually do it...Ohhhhh lawd.

well there is not more team k$%^er, and supposedly no more support (free equipment) for them so this will be even harder to prove unless you have something in writting its not really worth bitching about at all Gabe trust me I tried all last year. I agree that the ones that are actually doing this the legit way are the ones being screwed over big time, and it pisses me off to no end.
This is why I run prostock now so I dont have to be screwed over by it at all, and if anyone has any smart ass comments towards me bring that Dung Pile to me in the lanes.

c-ya in November

USACI wrote:

This was in the rule book. There was a period when we had hlep withthe rule book and several things dissapeared. This is one of them. will be updated by the weekend on the web site.

Cool! That was easy ... if it gets changed

USACI wrote:

This was in the rule book. There was a period when we had hlep withthe rule book and several things dissapeared. This is one of them. will be updated by the weekend on the web site.

Ralphie,

While you're at it, why not put in the Trunk Division rules and criteria?

Mike Jaffe wrote:

USACiSE wrote:

WOW, Mikey. Is this the same Mike Jaffe that demands obeying rules, that allows competitors to use a burned disc ?????? roflmao Glad` to see you take over as the "office
has opted not to get involved"" Oh, and by the way , while you have taken control, can I have a raise that Ralph has opted not to give any director, ???? [ except maybe you, roflmao ]

Its obviously a misprint [ or accidental omission ] of the rules, as they have been there since day one, maybe a call to the office might have cleared`things up a bit for you. Mike Daville posted it as it always was and still is, whether or not it had been accidently omitted from the rewrite of rules

Gabe, just send in a request to change your status from Pro to Consumer along with your reason for such action.

As part of my "takeover" I am doubling your pay. As for Mike's quoting of rules, I would love to have affix a page number to what he wrote so that we could all see it. As for the "fact" (Jimbo's quote) that this has been the rule since way back, I can't find it in any of my old Outlaw SPL rule books. If it was somehow omitted from the rules, let's see it remitted.

Look, all my displeasure isn't only regarding Gabe's question ... personally, I don't believe he'd enter a Consumer division ... but rather that we've been trying to get the Trunk Division rules entered into the book, but so far to no avail. We now allegedly have a World Rwcord holder in that division and the division doesn't even exist. The rules are in the rule books, not the forum!

Sent the new trunk rules to all the directors including you some time back. Still waiting on a response. From anyone........

Mike Jaffe wrote:

USACI wrote:

This was in the rule book. There was a period when we had hlep withthe rule book and several things dissapeared. This is one of them. will be updated by the weekend on the web site.

Ralphie,

While you're at it, why not put in the Trunk Division rules and criteria?

already did. You readit and send it back?