Poll DD

Okay so if amp gets retested at proper testing as done in the past. And it fails...... Should DD get moved to unlimited it would be there 4 strike in 3 years . Not sure how many chances they give now but...


I Believe they should be rated unlimmited on all amps just for the confution of the published rating and never changing it on both sites.... Any comments.... Im not trying to piss Chris off any more just trying too see everyones view.... I think unlimmited on all there amps for Usaci... How many chances guys.

depends what game your playing, baseball it 3 strikes your looking for, but bowling its 12

ROFLMAO...... True True

Without really knowing the other amps in question that have been rerated and striked out. I would say a possible on the subject.

hard one Jimbo

While i understand the concern, I do NOT think this is the best way to go, In a sport where we have less and less manufacture support each yr. This would even make it worse. So for that reason I voted no.

Okay understandable.... But EXACTLY WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A DD BOOTH AT FINALS.... I CAN ANSWER THAT BUT WONT. Now what support is there to loose.... And how many times exactly do you want to let them off the hook??????????


PPl have their opinions.... And im sorry NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOR ME. fornicate EM

Last yr at finals. RIght by the kicker booth.

Ohhhhhhhh nevermind.,.... roflmao ya got me their Okay so how many chances to you think should be given...

That I cant answer, I think we need to look further into the problem than any one manufacturer. If you really look at it, with a t 20% tollerand and a non inductive load on a constant 14.4 I would be NONE of the reputable companies amps would past.

KICKER
DB DRIVE
INCRIMINATOR
MMATS

None of them. So think we should focus on a fix for all. I dunno what the answer is, but with the right people working towards a common goal, Im sure we can come up with something.

Plain and simple...DD is NOT OUT TO MAKE AMPS FOR US COMPETITORS. THEY DO NOT RATE THERE AMPS TO FAVOR ANY ORGANIZATION. They rate them at real worls applications. It is our fault as competitors for pushing the limits sometimes and maybe just maybe using amps that are on the borderline. If USACI tell my customers that own dd amps that they now must compete in unlimited power classes...Usaci will not be the organization for them. It is not the end consumers fault and Digital Designs is truly not out to rate there amps to have an advantage in the SPL lanes. Call them up yourself Jimbo...see just how much they like spl competitons. Seriously give them a call. Talk to Steve. He could care less about competitive organizations....it's about giving real world wattage so the customer don't get ripped off.

I understand that.... My point is this is like number 4 amp in the last 4 or 5 years...... So i give it another 6 months and they will have another cause they get away with it..... JMO

Everyone is looking at it the wrong way....you guys are looking at it like DD has been trying to be misleading with there ratings. That is not the intent. As I said before, they didn't even know what the class power ratings where in USACI when the amp came out. And on the manuals.... the first manuals of every amp is printed before Digital Designs even gets an amp in there hands or has a chance to verify or approve what is printed in the manual by some non english speaking idiot. Englanease I believe Steve called it. I was unaware of this but DD did put 770 @ 4 ohm in the actual approve manual...that's only 5 watts less than what it was tested at at wrong tolerance percentage...I don't see intent to cheat at all in that.

call me jimbo

you have pm

I am a nobody but Chris is right about the way DD is about spl comps. I run m3's but in mod 1001-2000 haha

Well....misleading. I read that the amp was posted with a higher rating, then they changed it to be at 600@4 ohms. That is misleading. I am not going to question that company, but they may need to change how they rate amps because they have been underrating amps and they get by at finals and then the next year do not pass.

Anybody who thinks DD doesn't care about winning competitions is naive.

Yeah, Steve will say he doesn't care about competitions, in fact him and I had this conversation a few months ago and I told him the moment DD stops building equipment for the lanes is the moment they lose business.
DD's reputation as dominate equipment is due to what?, yeeup, competitions, and the minute DD stops settin world records and winning world titles, the value of their equipment will decrease. Steve is a smart guy, he knows this to be true.

The only reason people are paying 3g's for a Z is why?, exactly.

DD's more expensive than comparable equipment, yet people pay the extra cash for DD's because they know their reputation as being a world record setting company.

DD rates their amps as though they're SQ amps, this means lower THD's and in turn means lower ratings that may seem to be modest in the SPL world. On the same token, rating an amplifier this way gives advantages to those of us who use these amps for competing, to think that is not noticed by DD is pretty silly.

OPEN UP THE CLASSES, RATE AMPS BY THEIR HIGHEST PUBLISHED RATING, AND BE DONE WITH IT.

"MMats 3500.05=
3000@.5
1500@1
750@2
375@4

But a...

Rockford 1501bd=
1500@2
750@4

Mmats is rated @ 375 yet it does 3000 watts
Rockford's rated @ 750 yet it only does 1500 watts

...this makes no sense, put the rockfod amp in as a 1500 watt amp and the mmats in at a 3000 watt amp."

ill agree with jimbo on this and dont care what is said after this just cause its dd and they are reputable it is there 4th amp in 5 years so no matter what they are out to do they have set themselves int he same catagory as atomic, and american bass in some situations wich them other 2 companies got put into unlimited so the same should go for dd as well.

I have said it many times just cause your this guy or that guy or this company or that one and well known doesnt excuse you at all.


I know Samsel wont like that but i do see it Jimbo's way this time.

apples to apples

I have to agree.

I protest the protest....

bruce-bruce wrote:

I protest the protest....

I second that

bruce-bruce wrote:

Last yr at finals. RIght by the kicker booth.

and year before last right by the escalators.

when is the time up for atomic or is it for good what if they have new amps ???

zacdavis wrote:

Anybody who thinks DD doesn't care about winning competitions is naive.

Yeah, Steve will say he doesn't care about competitions, in fact him and I had this conversation a few months ago and I told him the moment DD stops building equipment for the lanes is the moment they lose business.
DD's reputation as dominate equipment is due to what?, yeeup, competitions, and the minute DD stops settin world records and winning world titles, the value of their equipment will decrease. Steve is a smart guy, he knows this to be true.

The only reason people are paying 3g's for a Z is why?, exactly.

DD's more expensive than comparable equipment, yet people pay the extra cash for DD's because they know their reputation as being a world record setting company.

DD rates their amps as though they're SQ amps, this means lower THD's and in turn means lower ratings that may seem to be modest in the SPL world. On the same token, rating an amplifier this way gives advantages to those of us who use these amps for competing, to think that is not noticed by DD is pretty silly.

OPEN UP THE CLASSES, RATE AMPS BY THEIR HIGHEST PUBLISHED RATING, AND BE DONE WITH IT.

"MMats 3500.05=
3000@.5
1500@1
750@2
375@4

But a...

Rockford 1501bd=
1500@2
750@4

Mmats is rated @ 375 yet it does 3000 watts
Rockford's rated @ 750 yet it only does 1500 watts

...this makes no sense, put the rockfod amp in as a 1500 watt amp and the mmats in at a 3000 watt amp."

x2

emperorjj1 wrote:

zacdavis wrote:

Anybody who thinks DD doesn't care about winning competitions is naive.

Yeah, Steve will say he doesn't care about competitions, in fact him and I had this conversation a few months ago and I told him the moment DD stops building equipment for the lanes is the moment they lose business.
DD's reputation as dominate equipment is due to what?, yeeup, competitions, and the minute DD stops settin world records and winning world titles, the value of their equipment will decrease. Steve is a smart guy, he knows this to be true.

The only reason people are paying 3g's for a Z is why?, exactly.

DD's more expensive than comparable equipment, yet people pay the extra cash for DD's because they know their reputation as being a world record setting company.

DD rates their amps as though they're SQ amps, this means lower THD's and in turn means lower ratings that may seem to be modest in the SPL world. On the same token, rating an amplifier this way gives advantages to those of us who use these amps for competing, to think that is not noticed by DD is pretty silly.

OPEN UP THE CLASSES, RATE AMPS BY THEIR HIGHEST PUBLISHED RATING, AND BE DONE WITH IT.

"MMats 3500.05=
3000@.5
1500@1
750@2
375@4

But a...

Rockford 1501bd=
1500@2
750@4

Mmats is rated @ 375 yet it does 3000 watts
Rockford's rated @ 750 yet it only does 1500 watts

...this makes no sense, put the rockfod amp in as a 1500 watt amp and the mmats in at a 3000 watt amp."

x2

May be RF used 14V and Mmats 16V?
Or RF 12V and Mmats 14.4V???

mmats dont handle 16v.

Your mom handles 16v phinney....LOL Whatzzzzzzzzzup

Strike three....your out on the Unlimited list. Ok....how can we trust this company or how this company test amps? They have been underrated and have been caught for the last four years. Titles,world records,sponsorships and so much more have gone thru these amps. Are these legit? If the amp was rated correct at 750 before 2007 world finals, there may or may not have been diffrent results. This is not a personal attack on anyone who used these amps. If you ran them I'll give you the benifitof dougt of not knowing. What I am saying it that they, along with other amps, have been know for pushing the grey area of the rule book, four times now. My vote goes to unlimited.

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