mmats new HD4000 Competition Amplifier

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HD4000 Competition Amplifier from MMATS. Anyone checked it out?

firespl wrote:

just got out of work thought I'd see what was going on

You have a lot of reading to do. LOL.

sanman wrote:

you know whats sad all i was doing is sticking up for a friend that i felt got disrespected by not being mentioned in this article that did alot for this company, and he was obviously hurt by it as well.

and since i did its been nothing but bashing on me lol so tell me who is really the retards starting crap here

Thank you Jeff, that really does mean a lot to me.

Who ever the guy was that said MMats got a lot of feedback from them testing amps lol you can best believe David's tech guys received a whole crap load'a info from the multiple 3000's I blew up during the early stages of their refinement(summer 2004).
To MMats defense, they ALWAYS took great care in customer support. If I had a comp coming up they rushed to get my amps fixed and always came through in time every time, for that I will always be grateful.

I or anybody else wouldn't have had their product or support without this guy...
rip

I doubt I could have won so decisively without thee outstanding equipment MMats provided for me.
And hey, if I don't get any mention from them...well, yeah it hurts but I'm still grateful for the service they provided me while running their amps in the lanes.

Thank you MMats
(david & ken and all you techs )

Do you think they perposely left you out Zac or maybe it had just been so long since they actually had someone attend finals (until last year) that they had simply not thought of what you had done? I mean the year that I used the mmats they specifically said that they were not that interested in the competition scene anymore. I'm not sure what made them get away from spl for so long. Maybe you have more insight on that since you did get to know them so well? It confused me at the time. But as far as being offended by not being mentioned...don't be man. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, and I'm sure they appreciated the things you accomplished with there product at the time.

Thank you Cris, i'm sure your right

(It wasn't so much that they forgot about me I just thought it would have severed them good publicity to mention they had a few world titles and a world record with the 3000's. In other words even though they weren't putting forth any effort in building competition amps in the past few years, their amps were still winning world titles)

Guess I'll have to show up this year with the 4000's

I don't think they Willfully left Zack or anyone else out. They were just refrencing their return to competition in Ending of 07. They mention the win and the people who did it at finals 07. Because of this, that is the reason for their introduction of this amplifier.

Like I said before they supported us as well. We too went back and forth with Ken and David getting ours up to par. I'll never forget three nights before finals seeing smoke pop out of amps and calling and having the parts to repair the amps over nighted. That is some support!

I only started this topic to get some feedback about this amplifier. Unfortunately, some people don't see it this way. It was not meant to cause any controversy. So, can we get back to the topic. Thank you

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

Like I said before they supported us as well. We too went back and forth with Ken and David getting ours up to par. I'll never forget three nights before finals seeing smoke pop out of amps and calling and having the parts to repair the amps over nighted. That is some support!

Absolutely, for a company that wasn't aiming to be in the lanes, they always made sure to be there for us when we needed them the most.

MMATS= outstanding company!!!

I think it's great they are getting back into the competition scene. I loved there 3000's and it sounds like the 4000's are going to be even better. It'd be great if we could get someone from MMATS to chime in on here and give us more details on the amp and any other new products they have.

Or Zac...do you still have some contacts at mmats that you could get ahold of and fill us in?

bumpin s-10 wrote:

I think it's great they are getting back into the competition scene. I loved there 3000's and it sounds like the 4000's are going to be even better. It'd be great if we could get someone from MMATS to chime in on here and give us more details on the amp and any other new products they have.

HUM I MIGHT KNOW ABOUT THIS AMP,BUT I DONT KNOW ANYTHING SO GUESS I WILL KEEP ON MOVING ON.

BTW I HAVE NEVER USED ANY OTHER AMP.SINCE 1998.

the fine line between being a champion and a winner.....

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This is the million dollar question. To qualify, you have to have a history and reputation in one of the sanctioned bodies (USACI, DB Drags, IASCA, MECA or NSPL). Then, just simply call us at 561-842-0600 and we will go over the details with you. Good luck to all of the competitors in the 2008 season and we hope to see you in the lanes.

By having to be a competitior to get one, this would make it non-comercially available......

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Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division.

So by the rulebook it won't matter what it is rated at. This amp will be unlimited per the rules about being comercially available. Since you have to have a proven history, it means not everyone can purchase this amp. Looks like a great amp though.

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Therefore, the push was made to produce a more powerful amplifier for the classes that do not have wattage restrictions.

Of course they have stated themselves that is was only intended for classes that have no power restrictions. So I guess wondering what the rating will be is a moot point.

mschwitz wrote:

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This is the million dollar question. To qualify, you have to have a history and reputation in one of the sanctioned bodies (USACI, DB Drags, IASCA, MECA or NSPL). Then, just simply call us at 561-842-0600 and we will go over the details with you. Good luck to all of the competitors in the 2008 season and we hope to see you in the lanes.

By having to be a competitior to get one, this would make it non-comercially available......

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Competitors whose systems include amplifiers that are not manufacturer rated, are modified
internally, or not commercially available will be required to compete in the unlimited power class
of their respective division.

So by the rulebook it won't matter what it is rated at. This amp will be unlimited per the rules about being comercially available. Since you have to have a proven history, it means not everyone can purchase this amp. Looks like a great amp though.

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Therefore, the push was made to produce a more powerful amplifier for the classes that do not have wattage restrictions.

Of course they have stated themselves that is was only intended for classes that have no power restrictions. So I guess wondering what the rating will be is a moot point.

I'd say that was more intended to mean If you wanna run the amps and be part of the company and get a discount you have to be proven. otherwise im sure it is a very expensive amp.

Yep, think we need more input from mmats about the amp. Regardless, it sounds like it could do well in other organizations.

Its a true 4000rms at 1ohm.

It IS available to any competitor that is registered with ANY sanctioning body.
Now, I'm not sure that voids the amp from classes.
The rule states any amp must be available to all competitors otherwise it will be put in the unlimited classes.

Hmmm, well from what I come up with, I'm guessing it wouldnt qualify for Stock because it isnt available to the general public but I think it should be able to run in the appropriate Pro and Mod classes because is available to all competitors.

What do you guys think?

I think we need more info from Ralph on this one.
David won't be back in at Mmats until the end of next week. I'll ask David to call the USACi office to clarify his methods of distribution for this amp in particular.

i have only made it to page 3 but i think timmy and kevin dont like each other i think they should go head to head

heas to head hmmm good idea lol

Did someone say HEAD??????????? ohh my bad i got excited for a min....LOL sorry you know my perverted asssss.

TECH114 wrote:

This is in mmatsproaudio website



MMATS PRO AUDIO
Proudly announces the release of our
HD4000 Competition Amplifier
After several months of testing and tuning we have released a true 4000 Wrms competitor only amplifier. “Back in the day” (1998, 1999 and 2000) we dominated the DB Drag circuit as well as “Death Match” with our Modified D300HC Competition Only amplifier. Its popularity is still strong today even though it has been discontinued for over 7 years. In its stock form the D300HC put out about 1200 watts and modifying it increased it to about 1800 watts. This was “BIG” power back then and is still considered strong today. However, times have changed and so has the demand for even bigger power.


Since 2001, we have not been involved in the SPL competition circles. But in the last Quarter of 2007 we decided to make a splash at the USACI Finals in Omaha, Nebraska. With the help of team leaders Bill Gass from Stereo West Auto Toys and Mark Hill from Cartunes & Security and their competitors, we were able to bring home 3 First Place trophies, several Second Place trophies as well as an assortment of Third & Fourth Place finishes. These were the results that we were looking for and they were made with the D3500.05 1/2 ohm stable amplifier. Therefore, the push was made to produce a more powerful amplifier for the classes that do not have wattage restrictions.

i am going out on a limb here, i think that what they were getting at is that they are having more people using there product and let alone winning with it they just want to actually try and build a product for the usaci organization and see what they can do with... im sure they greatly appreciate everyone that has used their products in the past (Zac) and they probly did set the foundation for mmats within the usaci organization... but i think their primary point might have been as to why they decided to give more support to usaci...

let the slaughtering begin....

This started as info to all about a new amp from MMATS , i saw the first page and called david to check on the info posted , he was happy to see people talking about his product , he mentioned he was not trying to single out anyone competetor but simply mentioning the ones he talked to at finals , he was there , from florida to see how the sport has changed in the last few years , it was a chance to see what was out there , and they are going to get a little more into the sport as long as it looks like it is going to continue to grow , these are not a quote , but just part of our conversation at finals and on the phone . I have been selling/using mats for over ten years and have to agree that it is a great company . lets try to make MMATS and any other company feel welcome , i also sell kicker and DB , that doesnt mean that they are the only brand that wins, soo please stop the neg...bashing , at least when the topic starts for or about a company showing support.

well like zac said some of us may still be with mmats yes even me since i have had several of there amps in the past, and loved themif they hadnt stepped back from it.


Mark/Samsal/Zac/Myelf/Tamu/Lonny west/Erin Bennet all ahve done quite well with them and would still like to

as i stated my main purpose was to say hey I know for a fact Zac did alot for them, and so did Gbae Sanchez, and Erin Bennet at the same time.

thats all

team treo wrote:

i have only made it to page 3 but i think timmy and kevin dont like each other i think they should go head to head

I already beat him this year at finals, AND I was in a lower power class than he was.

Nuff said.
Kicker FTW

Will the Mmatts 4000 be as competitive at 16 volts? The 3500 was not so receptive to it. They worked better at 14.4 volts.

dbracer79 wrote:

Will the Mmatts 4000 be as competitive at 16 volts? The 3500 was not so receptive to it. They worked better at 14.4 volts.

I just spoke to david at MMATS he said the 4k does not need more than the 14.4 infact in only needs high 13s for voltage , he also said for those who asked about the availability , he will reword the website to say that it will be available to any consumer , and will most likely post a price aswell , he also said there will not be available at this time with a 4000.05 , only a 4000.1 if any questions my number is 712-213-7244 mark hill car tunes and security.

Kicker Kevin wrote:

team treo wrote:

i have only made it to page 3 but i think timmy and kevin dont like each other i think they should go head to head

I already beat him this year at finals, AND I was in a lower power class than he was.

Nuff said.
Kicker FTW

back with the bashing... correct me if i am wrong but isn't it really the build that wins... i am sure equipment has a little to do with it... but you probly had a better box design and what not... there really is not way to compare which company has the better products... it is really all about your build... correct??? especially when we are talking about the big dogs in car audio

iowan wrote:

Kicker Kevin wrote:

team treo wrote:

i have only made it to page 3 but i think timmy and kevin dont like each other i think they should go head to head

I already beat him this year at finals, AND I was in a lower power class than he was.

Nuff said.
Kicker FTW

back with the bashing... correct me if i am wrong but isn't it really the build that wins... i am sure equipment has a little to do with it... but you probly had a better box design and what not... there really is not way to compare which company has the better products... it is really all about your build... correct??? especially when we are talking about the big dogs in car audio

Kevin name the class......that box i had was built the night before finals......and like i said i ran what i bought for DB drag my first year in USACi first year with a REX.....did a 160.9.........with less cone area and less power than your 40.1's.....on EXTREMELY POWER HUNGRY WOOFERS.....yes this season will be ALOT different since i will be buyig equipment for USACi......

iowan wrote:

Kicker Kevin wrote:

team treo wrote:

i have only made it to page 3 but i think timmy and kevin dont like each other i think they should go head to head

I already beat him this year at finals, AND I was in a lower power class than he was.

Nuff said.
Kicker FTW

back with the bashing... correct me if i am wrong but isn't it really the build that wins... i am sure equipment has a little to do with it... but you probly had a better box design and what not... there really is not way to compare which company has the better products... it is really all about your build... correct??? especially when we are talking about the big dogs in car audio

Bashing???????? That is a fact man. I did 161.5, Tim did 160.9. I won Tim got smashed. Nothing more needs to be said.
It is build, equipment, set-up, class, team, Kicker support, etc. Can't pin point one thing. It is all of them.

slumpinhonda wrote:

iowan wrote:

Kicker Kevin wrote:

team treo wrote:

i have only made it to page 3 but i think timmy and kevin dont like each other i think they should go head to head

I already beat him this year at finals, AND I was in a lower power class than he was.

Nuff said.
Kicker FTW

back with the bashing... correct me if i am wrong but isn't it really the build that wins... i am sure equipment has a little to do with it... but you probly had a better box design and what not... there really is not way to compare which company has the better products... it is really all about your build... correct??? especially when we are talking about the big dogs in car audio

Kevin name the class......that box i had was built the night before finals......and like i said i ran what i bought for DB drag my first year in USACi first year with a REX.....did a 160.9.........with less cone area and less power than your 40.1's.....on EXTREMELY POWER HUNGRY WOOFERS.....yes this season will be ALOT different since i will be buyig equipment for USACi......

Tim, just like I tell everyone else. You don't need to worry about what class I am in, you need to worry about Team Loud and Clear. Ask your boy Phinney about it!
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This year buy some Kicker for Usaci!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kicker FTW