Any results from NOPI?

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just like the topic said.

Crash wrote:

A wheelchair minivan is one which has gone through an extensive afterfactory
conversion. The firms performing this after-factory work raise the roofs and literally drop the
floor of the minivans about six inches, enabling them to use short wheelchair ramps, rather than wheelchair
lifts.

If it drops the floor down 6inches wouldnt that be considered a floor cut and be moved to Supermod? Im not to familiar with the mod rules but I remember seeing something about floor cuts a while back putting you in super mod.

i didnt read through this whole thread yet, but if its a handicapped van then there are 2 questions

1, is the wheel chair lift still in it? if not then that would be a mod ahead of the b pilliar

2 is it one of the handicapped van that is made into a handicapped van such as regency or whereever, if so, then it did not come from the factory with no passenger seats, it would have been made that way after the factory, but before it was sold as new

Raplh was on here this AM. He did not comment on this situation.

this post got quiet why

maybe some let it go til the big guy responds

man you dont say anything all day then when i say something on this you chyme in im going to take a bath now get off my back so you aint there

If it isnt legit and it doesnt sound like it is I would like my first place points and trophy.

Thanks
Toby Newton

PhatSam wrote:

maybe some let it go til the big guy responds

When would that ever happen here?

Wow!!!!! Unbelievable. Well it IS Usaci, so I guess anything is legal.

cavi_in_kc wrote:

PhatSam wrote:

maybe some let it go til the big guy responds

When would that ever happen here?

True, Very true

Here is the response I got from the office today


Well I talked to darville today, and basically he said he didnt make the desicsion, Ralph said it was Ok to run it. I didnt get to talk to him to see as to why. (I would like to know from a judging perspective, cause I still see it as illigal due to the rules)


Here is my hard thoughts as a judge

Basically, If ralph said the van is legal, then it is legal. For anyone wishing to dispute it, there is a form on the USACi page to appeal to rules and ethics.

If Ralph said it was leagal to run more then one world record in one day at the same event, then it is legal. Anyone wishing to dispute this may appeal to rules and ethics using the same form listed above



I am in no way tring to step on anyones toes, I was having questions brought forward to me, and I thought I would answer them to my best ability.

sanman wrote:

i do as well but as far as the monkey thing that came from sanchez at heatwave when he didnt wanna sit in my car man this didnt start with me so get it right before you run about the mouth man or simply ask a ?

first of all you never asked me to sit in your car, second of all the judges were told by shane that we didn't have to sit in cars if we didn't want to. And finally I don't even like your b i t c h a s s, so go f o r n i c a t e yourself. Jeff its always someone elses fault for your short coming and your always the cause of everyones acomplishments. So don't go crying everytime something doesn't go your way, I know you have so much time on your hands now that you bought an already built vehicle and don't have to build one, but if thats your cup of tea then drink it.

Congrats C!

firespl wrote:

sanman wrote:

i do as well but as far as the monkey thing that came from sanchez at heatwave when he didnt wanna sit in my car man this didnt start with me so get it right before you run about the mouth man or simply ask a ?

first of all you never asked me to sit in your car, second of all the judges were told by shane that we didn't have to sit in cars if we didn't want to. And finally I don't even like your b i t c h a s s, so go f o r n i c a t e yourself. Jeff its always someone elses fault for your short coming and your always the cause of everyones acomplishments. So don't go crying everytime something doesn't go your way, I know you have so much time on your hands now that you bought an already built vehicle and don't have to build one, but if thats your cup of tea then drink it.

SPL IS GREAT..........we need some of this over on the darkside.........maybe if we would talk a little more smack and pisss some people off there would be more cars in the SQ lanes

NO NENE YOU SAW ME PULL UP YOU WERE THE ONLY GUY I SEEN SITTIN IN CARS THAT DAY AND YOU TURNED YOUR BACK AND WALKED AWAY I DO BELEIVE THAT IT WAS UP TO YOU TO SIT IN A CAR AS MOST SHOWS ARE THIS WAY I DONT DOG YOU FOR THAT BUT THE FACT YOU JUST MADE A STATEMENT THEN TOLD ON YOURSELF IS ENOUGH FOR ME MAN YO DONT LIKE ME THATS WHY YOU CHOSE NOT TO SIT IN MY CAR AND THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS GETTING ACROSS TO SAM IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT BECAUSE OF THIS AND THE ACTIONS FO YOU FOR BEING ON THAT TEAM WE NEED NOT TO HELP ANYONE FROM YOURS REMEMBER IM NOT THE ONE THAT CAUSED THIS, AND ALL I SAID IW AS GOING TO TALK TO JEFF ABOUT NOT DOING THIS ANYMORE.

I SAID GOOD JOB CHARLSE DO I THINK ITS LEGIT fornicate NO, BUT HE DID WHAT RALPH LET HIM YOU KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE REALLY OUT MAN THE NEW GUYS RUNNING IN THIS CLASS THAT CHARLSE poop ON THAT AREPROBLY SAYING fornicate USACI THIS IS CAUSING MORE PEOPLE NOT TO WANNC OPME BACK THAN AMPS ARE

BUT HEY NICE JOB THERE CHARLSE AND I HOPE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT DOING THIS

AS FAR AS ME GETTING THE S10 I GOT 1 WORD FOR YA HATER

damn dont get on here 1 day and i'm a cheating piece of poop!this van isnt going to run anyone off from usaci. a crx or s10 will stomp this thing outlaw.its great legal as are most caravans with or without a wall. try building 1 and you'll see. as far as the floor drop, not that kinda van. this one had a lift style in the back that is very easy to see where it was and thats why it has a 3/4 ton suspension in the back. it was made to lift the wheelchair up and in and then the chair rolled forward and locked into the drivers area. remember, this van is not a newer style but from back in the 80s. the funny thing is that s10s and crxs came with back seats yet they are allowed to use this area and even REMOVE theirs so whys everyone crying about this 1 which is a passenger van that DIDNT EVEN COME WITH SEATS. give me a REASONABLE exlanation for all the crying other than just being a hater.

Correction. CRX did not come with a back seat in this country at all. Not calling you a cheater either. Just a genral statement

but as stated in the rules " if they were manufactured with, but didnt come with them, then they arent allowed in stock. these cars came with backseat in this country, they were just an option that most didnt want.who wants a 12" seat to sit on,lol. i'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you bruce i think this is all funny. i'll go with whatever ralph says, but i did what i was told to be legal. i put fron seats in it and had all panels above the window line and in front of the b pillar was stock. healiner all the way to the back with the upper and lower center consoles still in place.

NO pissin here. I prefer toilets or good old out doors.. I am with ya, if he said its good, then its good. I just didnt think rexs where offered with back seats in the country. I am wrong I guess.

From my knoledge the only CRX that even was availible with the back seat is the 1990 or 1991 Crx SiR which is a right hand drive made in japan and a few of them are in canada.

About the same issue as the panda, everyone is so worried about those cars, they forget most of them actually came with back seats.

Charles, I have already posted my 2 cents on this, im not tryin to get into it with anyone. I just stated the way the rules are written and the way I would run it at one of my shows.

But the fact of the matter is, If the big man tway there (ralph) he is in charge and has the finals say, so no matter if we like it or not, its done, and its was deemed legal.

charlesestes wrote:

so whys everyone crying about this 1 which is a passenger van that DIDNT EVEN COME WITH SEATS. give me a REASONABLE exlanation for all the crying other than just being a hater.

Because the rules specifically state that vans that didn't come with passenger seats can't be used in stock class.


Again, as others have said, if Ralph said it's legal, it's legal. I don't care one way or another, I just found it weird that there is a specific rule on a van without seats, yet you were allowed to run.

I must agree its pretty plainly stated in the rules about vans with no back seats. However, this is Ralph's organization and what he says goes whether the general conscensus agrees or not.

Charles, I dont think anyone here has any qualms with you. Congrats on the record. We just would like to know if its legal or not since as someone already quoted, those types of vehicles are not allowed in stock class and pro stock uses stock rules with the following exceptions. I know the answer was no a few years ago, perhaps Ralph could justify his ruling now vs then and tell us what changed?

So is it only like cargo vans or are regular vans with third row seats able to be in stock ? gettin a little confused by all the van talk and disscusion and lost now. LMAO

1st off NO one scores are Un-beatable. so LET IT GO ......C.E. waxes yours A$$E$ suck it up!

CONGRATS C.E!

charlesestes wrote:

but as stated in the rules " if they were manufactured with, but didnt come with them, then they arent allowed in stock. these cars came with backseat in this country, they were just an option that most didnt want.who wants a 12" seat to sit on,lol. i'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you bruce i think this is all funny. i'll go with whatever ralph says, but i did what i was told to be legal. i put fron seats in it and had all panels above the window line and in front of the b pillar was stock. healiner all the way to the back with the upper and lower center consoles still in place.

IMO a caravan is a caravan regardless of how it was modded for a handicapped person. You cannot look me straight in the face and tell me you think running that van is following the intent of what that class is there for, for that matter it doesnt even have to be intent, its in the rules plain cut and dry.
Who is to stop someone from getting a dodge sprinter for the handicapped and making it a prostoc vehicle, imagine the window line on that one.

Basically I think you took a top fuel dragster to a gokart race and the only reason it got by is cause the guy selling tickets knew it was money to be had or money to be lost.


As for the who is sexier, "Female dog" dont make me start a poll.

Navi
"As for the who is sexier, "Female dog" dont make me start a poll."


I will win!

Greg McCool wrote:

Navi
"As for the who is sexier, "Female dog" dont make me start a poll."


I will win!

People with the word cool inbedded in there name are not allowed, bow out now while you still can

Your too funny sometimes Scott, always look forward to seeing your post. {LOL}

well as you can see it isnt just me this time maybe in the past, and actually if you look back in this thread someone is extremely upset you beat them so i think with all us of stating the rules saying this was illeagal just to be deemed legal that guy is probly thinkin they cater to him so what the use in doing this anymore.