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just like the topic said.

its prostock he can do that but thats not the point i was getting at

yeah an armour truck has seats dont it anyone got the number to brinks

The equip was part of a testing and I no way take a huge amount of credit for the number. I built the box and charles had me install his subs. So atleast I built something in mine. anybody can just plug stuff in.

As Fas as Chillcot in the truck, well he was the mic monkey. Jeff C and have always helped one another. GUess that makes a great competitor cause he is willing to help no matter the team they on.

Thanks Jeff C for the help that day.

sanman wrote:

yeah an armour truck has seats dont it anyone got the number to brinks

There a little pricey. But would make one hell of a SPL truck i'm sure.

that wont happen again man

let me make a call

Thats fine Jeff. I told him this would happend last year. After the poop I got from you at thunder. How you wouldn't hold the mic cause we I was in a class as Oggie. Thats not the point. Point is we all are there for fun and comradery and thats what I have been about from the day I started. I have thanked all that have helped me and I'll pass what lil knowledge I have on to help the next. Just the guy I am.

i do as well but as far as the monkey thing that came from sanchez at heatwave when he didnt wanna sit in my car man this didnt start with me so get it right before you run about the mouth man or simply ask a ?

charlesestes wrote:

i was told by ralph that if the van didnt come with seats , but wasnt a cargovan then it could be used in ps.

If that's the case, the rules need to be changed to say that.


Maybe I'm just reading the rule the wrong way, but to me there isn't any room for any other interpretation.

Heatwave. I never been to heatwave. You lost me on that one.

your title will state what type of van it is man it has a class id letter on it so lets get to the bottom of it if you remember the dmv classifies vehicles so lets get to the bottom of the great debate

also as stated im down with it if it is legit but no way in hell you should get all that room to play with i smell a new rule coming if not before finals there is a meeting we have

thats why i said sanchez not schatilly damm can you follow a conversation man

my van came stock with 1 drivers seat and no pasenger seat and was told i had to put in a pasenger seat or i would have to run super mod

could have been prostock man

Estes has done many great things in this sport. This is definately not one of them...finding a "loophole" in the rules like that is completely rediculous in my opinion. As if trucks and crx's don't have a big enough advantage over the average consumer...now someone busts out a no wall setup. Cmon Charles. I thought you would be above something like that.

And isn't there a rule on setting only 1 record per event or is it per day or how were his records set? If it was legit cool. I'd like to know the rules on this, if it is ok to set multiple records at the same event then great B&K is in Omaha this weekend right?

plot thickens lol

Why is Charles to be blame for this? The person who ok this should be blame. Manufacturer don't make them that way. They were modified to be that way, So they should be in the same class as any other van.

TECH114 wrote:

The person who ok this should be blame.

I agree completely. Props to Charles in my mind for asking Ralph about it and getting the all clear.

Personally I can't understand why Ralph said it was legal. But hey, not my org, not my rules.

Agreed...Ralph...this should not be allowed...loophole or not....fix the loophole before this gets out of hand.

cavi_in_kc wrote:

TECH114 wrote:

The person who ok this should be blame.

I agree completely. Props to Charles in my mind for asking Ralph about it and getting the all clear.

Personally I can't understand why Ralph said it was legal. But hey, not my org, not my rules.

What I been sayin all along.

charlse did what he was allowed just needs to be put right now

A wheelchair minivan is one which has gone through an extensive afterfactory
conversion. The firms performing this after-factory work raise the roofs and literally drop the
floor of the minivans about six inches, enabling them to use short wheelchair ramps, rather than wheelchair
lifts. These vehicles usually hold two wheelchairs and one ambulatory passenger, in addition to the
driver. The cost of such a vehicle averages about $38,000

That is from a pdf off the dot website

http://www.dot.state.co.us/CommuterChoice/files/TRANDIR_Transit.pdf

If it was modded after the factory which the DOT says that is what happens it is mod.

Agreed, just think it was kinda scetchy in my opinion. As I said he has done great things in this sport and have much respect for his accomplishments. Just don't agree with people going thru the rules with a fine tooth comb to find an opening like this is all.

I dont see how this is even a loophole.

Vans and SUV’s that are originally manufactured without rear seats cannot
compete in the Stock division.

and in the pro stock rules heading it states

This division uses the Stock rules with the following exceptions.

and none of the exceptions have anything to do with removal of seats, or vehicles without seats

once again good point and dont see any grey area

i see how it can been seen as legal cause it has panels rear heating windows ect.....so the cargo area is everything behind the bpiller...BUT it does say NO VANS

aphinney wrote:

i see how it can been seen as legal cause it has panels rear heating windows ect.....so the cargo area is everything behind the bpiller...BUT it does say NO VANS

But it was MODDED after it left the factory. There is several things wrong with this one.

MY biggest question is what changed Ralphs mind from when he said hell no 2-3 years ago on the exact same vehicle.

Navi wrote:

MY biggest question is what changed Ralphs mind from when he said hell no 2-3 years ago on the exact same vehicle.

Money????

Crash wrote:

Navi wrote:

MY biggest question is what changed Ralphs mind from when he said hell no 2-3 years ago on the exact same vehicle.

Money????

guess that was a couple more dances at the cheetah lmao