Class for the average newbie

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Do you think a class for the average consumer newbie to get his feet wet for 1 or 2 years based on msrp of the subs and sub amp be a good thing for Usaci as a whole?

here is a new guy class idea I did not vote but I will add this just for ideas.....msrp for a class will be very high even a small class with batt head unit subs amp wire 1000$+ just to get started.so here we go and this will keep them seperate from everything

two years total no crxs or s-10 extended cabs
power classes 0-500 one amp/0-1000 two amps
0-500=one batt/0-1000=two batts (800ci limit $400 max cost)
0-500=one run +/- 0-1000 two runs +/- total
0-500=4 subs max any size/0-1000=6 subs total any size
none of this 8,10 or 20 sub crap
one layer of sound deadener
one alt 14.7 max
all panels must be in/seats may be layed down or taken off of a trunk car that dont lay down (back rest only) no cutting on deck
b pillar rule stays and window line rule stays

Tim Schaffer wrote:

here is a new guy class idea I did not vote but I will add this just for ideas.....msrp for a class will be very high even a small class with batt head unit subs amp wire 1000$+ just to get started.so here we go and this will keep them seperate from everything

two years total no crxs or s-10 extended cabs
power classes 0-500 one amp/0-1000 two amps
0-500=one batt/0-1000=two batts (800ci limit $400 max cost)
0-500=one run +/- 0-1000 two runs +/- total
0-500=4 subs max any size/0-1000=6 subs total any size
none of this 8,10 or 20 sub crap
one layer of sound deadener
one alt 14.7 max
all panels must be in/seats may be layed down or taken off of a trunk car that dont lay down (back rest only) no cutting on deck
b pillar rule stays and window line rule stays

I like it, but personally would change it to one run of wire in both (normal people don't do multiple runs and with the equipment it shouldn't be needed. And two subs in 0-500 and 4 in 0-1000. Other than that I like it. That's just my two cents though.

Also include all extended cabs, rangers and others work okay also and allow for the same battery placement. Or go back to everything must be in the cabin for mini trucks.

changed in other post do we need two class maybe 0-500/0-1000 to much changed to 0-250/0-500 but maybe we only need one like 0-500

SB should be restructured to accomadate the newb. All what is needed is ONE class for people to test the waters in. The current stock class is suitable for all other competitors except using the rule of voltage making the difference in stock and pro

To keep people from abusing the newb class there would be no Newb class in Finals but if they did make enough points through the year they could attend in SB2. The Street beat classes would need to be restructured as say with the MSRP idea, points idea or tims idea.

SB1 0-1000 or MSRP
SB2 0-1000 or MSRP
SB3 1001-2000 or MSRP
SB3 2001-3000 or MSRP
SB4 3001-4000 or MSRP
SB5 Unlimited

S.L.A.B. wrote:

SB should be restructured to accomadate the newb. All what is needed is ONE class for people to test the waters in. The current stock class is suitable for all other competitors except using the rule of voltage making the difference in stock and pro

good point I will change to 0-500 for the (basic burp) LOL it will be easier to get one class in vs more than that but you do need one for finals thats the point for all of this yes most ppl can go to a local show a hit the normal class but the need to push a new class for new ppl at finals maybe only one but its a start..some of the ppl if they know no rexs or pre 93 s-10s they might keep at it and you can run trunks in it also and they will hang

I don't post much anymore but what about newbee's backed by a team?

I still don't understand what MSRP has to do with being new to spl competition. It almost seems like by saying newbie you mean a young kid or somebody that doesn't have as much money.

My first year out I got 2nd place in SS 301 to 900 and was up against atleast 6 other competitors including 4 "seasoned vets".

It wouldn't have been near as fun to beat a bunch of newbs with a system that has to be at a certain MSRP value or less.

What about newbie getting their system professionally installed?

what about trying to build this up to like 10 friends each telling them about the comp getting them there showing them what yo can do in an application in your car and helping them get as close as they can in thier car. showing them what class they would be in in thier car and helping them you may get 1 or 2 people out of your ten but if we all did it and just got 1 person we just doubled the attendence and didnt have to change or revamp a thing

Imo. Every time I would go to local comps. the #'s are average 140-145 =db's. It doesn't cost much to do those #'s and more depending on vehicle. I really think Usaci should start a trunk class. I know alot of people that would bring it to the lanes.
Regionals and Final's imo is expensive-- very expensive.
I think if we really try and help more local's out it will benefit all.
For example- I had a friend that could'nt get loud in his mini truck. with a little help his $350 system went from 141 to a 148.9.
That was a kenwood 800 watt amp on 2---12 inch sony sub's. Nice # for local comps. So I think it's not a very expensive sport until you want to play against the big dawgs at big comps.
If they get hooked from local comps. A certain % will step to the next level.
So I say let's all try to help the newbie's win some trophies and
" They will come "

Magoo --you are rite on the point-------- let's help this org. grow !!

RFLfestiva wrote:

I don't post much anymore but what about newbee's backed by a team?

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El Jimador wrote:
What does MSRP have to do with being a newbie.

Both great questions,
Ya know I'm not sure that we ever could come up with a division that'd only be filled with true newbs.
No matter what we'll end up seeing people on teams and crossover guys with years of experience.

I guess my interpretation of the MSRP classes wouldn't necessarily be based on the new guy, but more of the not as serious guy. Even that doesnt really describe it very well. What I'm getting at is no matter how new you are to this org, regardless of your credentials, the level you compete at kinda shows the level of seriousness you have.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the guys in 0-600 watt classes arent as serious as the guys in unlimited wattage but I am saying it does take A LOT more money to run the bigger classes. That in a way is kinda what I'm saying, the guys who spend 5K and up on their system are usually pretty serious, regardless of how long they've been competing they're pretty well committed at that point.

The MSRP division would open up a different kind of competitor. He may or may not be a newbie, but one thing is for sure he will be assured that he will be able to afford to compete. He won't have to worry about buying the next $1500 cheater amp either.
I've seen some guys around here spend their money on the system and then only go to a select few shows because they can't afford to go to all of them.

Keeping a class limited by the retail value of the system will bring competitors out to more shows, that equals more entry fees.

There's a plethora of positive reasons for adding the MSRP classes.
The only one I've really seen so far is the shows will last longer?

Magoo wrote:

what about trying to build this up to like 10 friends each telling them about the comp getting them there showing them what yo can do in an application in your car and helping them get as close as they can in thier car. showing them what class they would be in in thier car and helping them you may get 1 or 2 people out of your ten but if we all did it and just got 1 person we just doubled the attendence and didnt have to change or revamp a thing

Hey thats a great idea! What if we had a system in place that where if ya get a certain amount of people to join USACi, you get somethin free, like a free USACi t-shirt or something, or any sort of incentive that motivates us to recruit new members.

Say, if you recruit 5 people in one season into USACi you get a few T-shirt. If you recruit 10 new members you get a free entry into world finals, or a plaque stating your a "USACi Gold member"...something, ya know?

Larry offers $5 off for each new guy you bring to a show, up to 5 per show.

Zac that is an awsome idea

There's a lot of no votes but nothing to say why this wouldn't be good for Usaci as a whole. Just why it would be hard to police. So the 13 no votes.....how would this not be good for Usaci or retailers?

lol mike people have voted and obviousely dont feel the need to explain why is that so hard to understand

Because if they don't think it is good for Usaci, retailers, or manus I would like to know reasons why it wouldn't be good for any of them. I think people just vote no because they don't like the idea, not because it won't benifit those it is being worked on for.

We can't work past the problems or lack of benifits if we don't know why it isn't a good idea.

mybe you guy up north are a little slow I don know, but we keep saying we go through this every year, and well here we are a year later talking about the ame Dung Pile.

i can vote and not tell you anything that my right deal with it

messs with me and ill go kevin ecker on your ass make a bunch of screen names and vote no to sway it my way

sanman wrote:

messs with me and ill go kevin ecker on your ass make a bunch of screen names and vote no to sway it my way