Class for the average newbie

Do you think a class for the average consumer newbie to get his feet wet for 1 or 2 years based on msrp of the subs and sub amp be a good thing for Usaci as a whole?

As you vote please state why or why not this would be good or bad for Usaci. Please no fighting, just why or why not.

I think it would be a good idea, because after going to finals and seeing the kind of numbers that were being put up would scare off a bunch of newbs. I think once they get going and enter and see that they stand a chance they will come back and try harder. Now will this be something that would be offered at the finals or 2x-3x shows as well? If so then do they move up if they win finals? Or do they get to try and uphold their win for the next year? Next question is their any amp or sub limits? What about batteries, how many? I know that I have a bunch of questions but, I would also like to see how the rules would be laid out as well?

i voted no not because I think it is a bad idea I just think that there is something better that can be done. I am not sure what but what if they instead of having a class called locals you called it newbie etc and allowed 2 yrs in that class. Keep it set up like local. that would be a simple fix. just my opinion

Good thoughts Magoo, thanks for instead of just saying it won't work....saying what might work better.

alarmgod.....no finals, yes 2x and 3x one "normal" battery in stock location, one run of wire. You know the stuff a typical "cheap" customer would do. I know there are enough shop owners and workers on here to come up with what would be considered the "average cheap system" You know the 16 old kid looking for some bumps with his McDonald pay check.

mschwitz wrote:

Good thoughts Magoo, thanks for instead of just saying it won't work....saying what might work better.

alarmgod.....no finals, yes 2x and 3x one "normal" battery in stock location, one run of wire. You know the stuff a typical "cheap" customer would do. I know there are enough shop owners and workers on here to come up with what would be considered the "average cheap system" You know the 16 old kid looking for some bumps with his McDonald pay check.

when i was 16 i spent every ounce of my money on audio equipment and now that im 22 i still do LOL

Magoo wrote:

i voted no not because I think it is a bad idea I just think that there is something better that can be done. I am not sure what but what if they instead of having a class called locals you called it newbie etc and allowed 2 yrs in that class. Keep it set up like local. that would be a simple fix. just my opinion

Just a thought also, how about no moving up into regular classes if you want to compete as a newbie? If you run regular stock or pro stock at a show you stay up there and can't drop back down again. Yes it hurts a little that you aren't getting the extra $ at a show from them running multiple classes, but if you want to be a newbie you stay a newbie or if you decided to move up, you stay moved up. Keeps from having back and forth issues. Again just throwing more thoughts out there.

slumpinhonda wrote:

mschwitz wrote:

Good thoughts Magoo, thanks for instead of just saying it won't work....saying what might work better.

alarmgod.....no finals, yes 2x and 3x one "normal" battery in stock location, one run of wire. You know the stuff a typical "cheap" customer would do. I know there are enough shop owners and workers on here to come up with what would be considered the "average cheap system" You know the 16 old kid looking for some bumps with his McDonald pay check.

when i was 16 i spent every ounce of my money on audio equipment and now that im 22 i still do LOL

Many of us did, many didn't and still don't. Should Usaci be for only the elite who can drop a ton of money or all of their money into the sport? Or should there be a way for the "average" guy to have a chance to enjoy this sport also and maybe get bit by the same bug that got us. Times are different, we need a different approach to bringing in new blood. The sport has gotten more expensive and the economy is on a down turn.

mschwitz wrote:

slumpinhonda wrote:

mschwitz wrote:

Good thoughts Magoo, thanks for instead of just saying it won't work....saying what might work better.

alarmgod.....no finals, yes 2x and 3x one "normal" battery in stock location, one run of wire. You know the stuff a typical "cheap" customer would do. I know there are enough shop owners and workers on here to come up with what would be considered the "average cheap system" You know the 16 old kid looking for some bumps with his McDonald pay check.

when i was 16 i spent every ounce of my money on audio equipment and now that im 22 i still do LOL

Many of us did, many didn't and still don't. Should Usaci be for only the elite who can drop a ton of money or all of their money into the sport? Or should there be a way for the "average" guy to have a chance to enjoy this sport also and maybe get bit by the same bug that got us. Times are different, we need a different approach to bringing in new blood. The sport has gotten more expensive and the economy is on a down turn.

i agree with ya need something more affordable my brothers were wantin to try but they see how much ive spent and are like screw that............

Exactly

I voted no a first year competitor should run in stock to get their feet wet . I have a friend that never competed we got him to go to a show and run his car and he walked away with a second place trophy. who said a newbie cant be competitive

Redo the poll with options like MSRP, Career points and another idea

one year locals 2nd year stock 2-4 years hehe should be loud by then go pro.. thats my plan anywayz i spent thousands of dollars my first year which was this year... my dumb butt went in locals at finals should have went in stock tho..lol

the msrp idea is awesome i heard that was cool back in the day career points is a good idea but that will kick people into a pro level kinda fast but o well lol

mschwitz wrote:

Magoo wrote:

i voted no not because I think it is a bad idea I just think that there is something better that can be done. I am not sure what but what if they instead of having a class called locals you called it newbie etc and allowed 2 yrs in that class. Keep it set up like local. that would be a simple fix. just my opinion

Just a thought also, how about no moving up into regular classes if you want to compete as a newbie? If you run regular stock or pro stock at a show you stay up there and can't drop back down again. Yes it hurts a little that you aren't getting the extra $ at a show from them running multiple classes, but if you want to be a newbie you stay a newbie or if you decided to move up, you stay moved up. Keeps from having back and forth issues. Again just throwing more thoughts out there.

yes i agree

you could even do a nebie class like this 2-10s vs 2-10s 2/12vs2/12 etc a newbie will find out how ez that is to win and move up allow them only 1year for that then go up to stock or even use the sqin classes 301-900 etc....

slumpinhonda wrote:

when i was 16 i spent every ounce of my money on audio equipment and now that im 22 i still do LOL

damn...me too but i was 14 lol

Magoo wrote:

you could even do a nebie class like this 2-10s vs 2-10s 2/12vs2/12 etc a newbie will find out how ez that is to win and move up allow them only 1year for that then go up to stock or even use the sqin classes 301-900 etc....

Very good ideas magoo. Keep them coming. Thanks for being productive.

this is Cow poopy i hate this lol sorry man I just had to it didnt seem like a usaci post without the bitching lol

slumpinhonda wrote:

mschwitz wrote:

Good thoughts Magoo, thanks for instead of just saying it won't work....saying what might work better.

alarmgod.....no finals, yes 2x and 3x one "normal" battery in stock location, one run of wire. You know the stuff a typical "cheap" customer would do. I know there are enough shop owners and workers on here to come up with what would be considered the "average cheap system" You know the 16 old kid looking for some bumps with his McDonald pay check.

when i was 16 i spent every ounce of my money on audio equipment and now that im 22 i still do LOL

I'm 16 and I couldn't fit into the "cheap" class

i would also suggest that at your shows if you are running these classes take time away from yourself and your set ups and help the newbies out the swat team takes out alot of time at our shows to help the new guys out and we hold beatoffs fo free to get people into this side of car audio. Talk to Bill Gass for more info on that

i think that i class like this would work, but i dont think that i would base the classes off of msrp. Because we all know that if the box is built right even a cheap sub and amp will kill a high dollar set up with a crappy box.

Have the following classes:

Walmart class

Best-Buy class

Circuit City class

That's okay though. That starts to show the building side of it and progressing the newbie. Wood is cheap compared to the equipment. Lots of good ideas and positive thoughts. Let's keep this going.

I'm glad to hear some younger guys are doing well and have lots of money to drop on the sport. That is a honest response. Not everyone is in that boat and should have a chance to get into the sport. Hell I work at a shop and can barely afford this sport.

That's okay though. That starts to show the building side of it and progressing the newbie. Wood is cheap compared to the equipment. Lots of good ideas and positive thoughts. Let's keep this going.

I'm glad to hear some younger guys are doing well and have lots of money to drop on the sport. That is a honest response. Not everyone is in that boat and should have a chance to get into the sport. Hell I work at a shop and can barely afford this sport.

That's okay though. That starts to show the building side of it and progressing the newbie. Wood is cheap compared to the equipment. Lots of good ideas and positive thoughts. Let's keep this going.

I'm glad to hear some younger guys are doing well and have lots of money to drop on the sport. That is a honest response. Not everyone is in that boat and should have a chance to get into the sport. Hell I work at a shop and can barely afford this sport.

mschwitz wrote:

That's okay though. That starts to show the building side of it and progressing the newbie. Wood is cheap compared to the equipment. Lots of good ideas and positive thoughts. Let's keep this going.

I'm glad to hear some younger guys are doing well and have lots of money to drop on the sport. That is a honest response. Not everyone is in that boat and should have a chance to get into the sport. Hell I work at a shop and can barely afford this sport.

Not this youngster!! lol hahah I just love it alot, so I do alota work to get what i need.

i like it mike

I voted yes because I like the local classes they have and had at finals for newbies and I think we should keep them.

robcold wrote:

I voted no a first year competitor should run in stock to get their feet wet . I have a friend that never competed we got him to go to a show and run his car and he walked away with a second place trophy. who said a newbie cant be competitive

Holy crap thats a lot of DD subs in your avatar Robcold, who's are they?

I'm not sure if this helps clear the ideas up for anyone, but I was at the ski hill with my family today (as I have been for the last week or so). We were on the bunny hill with my daughter and wife who are just learning and starting out in the sport. The hill is right at their level of experience. Occasionally more experienced riders come down to the bunny hill and start screwing around and building jumps and such. I ask them to leave and go back to the hills they belong on or ski patrol does the same thing. This kinda follows what we have been saying about vets in classes they don't belong in, having a "bunny hill" class for those just starting out and respect for the beginners and having a place appropriate for there skill level.


Copied and pasted from another thread because I feel it fits here also.