Since the other one got locked................

Honestly buddy you did kind of make yourself look bad also. I can understand defending your company but there are other ways of doing it then on a public forum for everyone to see.

This isn't aim directly towards you either, it goes for everyone. It doesn't have to be a manufacture versus manufacture.

yeah i agree this should have been handled much more civilized like over the phone or in person not on this forum

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

Honestly buddy you did kind of make yourself look bad also. I can understand defending your company but there are other ways of doing it then on a public forum for everyone to see.

This isn't aim directly towards you either, it goes for everyone. It doesn't have to be a manufacture versus manufacture.

Gabe you are 100% right in fact Ultra did not start to mess others under his wing did, did Kimbo get out of hand enough to be Baned from what i seen in the past No but he is gone, we had a date for a show down in the lanes Gabe and Zac said fine no problem, all another Mfg did was resort to personal attacks??? many should know by now quad will never attack on a business or personal level Unless Attacked 1st!! no matter how much people dislike us they know it to be true, and it all started with a shop that we did not sell product to and has grown to this mess.

You started the manu bashing when you started saying ultra sucked and lambros stepped in to defend himself and his products. If you need me to I will link to it. This has gotten out of hand since all I asked of you was a simple challenge that to this day you have not given me a straight answer to. All this has been is you misunderstanding and misquoting many people and dodging the challenge I put forth.

Time to cool it !!!!!!!!!!!

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

Honestly buddy you did kind of make yourself look bad also. I can understand defending your company but there are other ways of doing it then on a public forum for everyone to see.

This isn't aim directly towards you either, it goes for everyone. It doesn't have to be a manufacture versus manufacture.

Your my boy Gabe but i dont agree with you... Ya know getting on kicker for what they did now getting on this man for what he did. And hell honestly Pioneer isn't perfect, while i understand what you are saying... I will say this i have more respect for a manufacturer for taking up for himself and voicing his opinion rather than ones that sit back and dont say shhit.. Tis my opinion and you have yours . But honestly really this is just me . I would do bidness with the man just because he doesn't take any crap but maybe thats just me..

And i will be the first to tell anyone of my customers to eat a dick if they are wrong.. It works for me ask anyone of my customers , installers , or ppl that come around. I am a dick they know it but they still want me to work on their stuff period .. They take it cause they know i may go off but in the end it will be exactly what they needed and are very happy with the work they recieve.. So i guess in my rant im saying alot of ppl can do bidness like this and still stay on top. So while it might not be right to some it was definatly right in my book and glad the man did what he did. SHOWS YA GOT NUTZ IN MY BOOK.


steps down off soap box.

mschwitz wrote:

You started the manu bashing when you started saying ultra sucked and lambros stepped in to defend himself and his products. If you need me to I will link to it. This has gotten out of hand since all I asked of you was a simple challenge that to this day you have not given me a straight answer to. All this has been is you misunderstanding and misquoting many people and dodging the challenge I put forth.

I blame 100% of this on mike and his wife! this started over a year ago because we refuse to sell them the line, UltraSubs has been mislead and was forced into the maylay i am sorry for any harm caused by us because of the actions of rejected dealers, here are some links to show how far it goes back.
https://usaci.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f11/quadpost-all-your-smack-here-please-t156.htm?highlight=quad

https://usaci.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f11/quad-t2275.htm?highlight=quad

Maybe you all didn't read Ralph's post up in sticky.

100% "Right-on"................
On a personal level, on the phone, in private would have been a better idea in hindsight.

Regret it ?

NO WAY.

For some reason a "civilized" way of handling this I don't think would have happened, I also do know for a FACT that this was an "approved" attempt to openly bad mouth my company.

Outright bashing with Mr. Quad's blessing is incredible.
If it was one of MY "guy's", I would tell them to cool off and not go-there.

Now DID NOT at any point make an attempt to take control of this guy going forward and insulting everybody he could.
On-line, off-line, whatever, this guy makes a blanket statement that ULTRA sucks.
There is no way I would EVER take a public statement like that sitting down, paying him a personal visit? I'm to busy.
A challenge was issued to him from one of my dealers/ team members, he made a statement.

I have had to deal with people like that in the past and I'm am quite certain he would have turned around a "kind" phone call into something that it wasn't.
It all started here, out in the open............. It should end here.
I don't like and never did closed door B.S. and no matter what this guy would NOT shut up.

I'm sure if he didn't get "curbed" that he would still be going right now. I think that this whole issue is B.S. and I'm glad it is over..............At least I think it is for now.

OPINIONS are fine, it is a free country but that was over the top.
F*CK this guy and F*ck people like him.

A challenge ?????
SURE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Quad and your posse................... JUST SHOW UP.

If not, know what you know, do what you do and be quite about it in regards to bashing somebody else's life's work.

if you look at the search page you will see a number of topics started by mschwitz plan of attacks on Quad/Crunk again we are sorry to Ultrasubs for letting a few people get this out of hand.

https://usaci.forumotion.com/search.forum?search_keywords=quad&show_results=topics

quad box wrote:

if you look at the search page you will see a number of topics started by mschwitz plan of attacks on Quad/Crunk again we are sorry to Ultrasubs for letting a few people get this out of hand.

https://usaci.forumotion.com/search.forum?search_keywords=quad&show_results=topics

No problem.......... It's DONE.
No hard feelings, no Beef or B.S.

We will keep the drama in the LANES.

Stingraysevenout wrote:

Your my boy Gabe but i dont agree with you... Ya know getting on kicker for what they did now getting on this man for what he did. And hell honestly Pioneer isn't perfect, while i understand what you are saying... I will say this i have more respect for a manufacturer for taking up for himself and voicing his opinion rather than ones that sit back and dont say shhit.. Tis my opinion and you have yours . But honestly really this is just me . I would do bidness with the man just because he doesn't take any crap but maybe thats just me..

And i will be the first to tell anyone of my customers to eat a dick if they are wrong.. It works for me ask anyone of my customers , installers , or ppl that come around. I am a dick they know it but they still want me to work on their stuff period .. They take it cause they know i may go off but in the end it will be exactly what they needed and are very happy with the work they recieve.. So i guess in my rant im saying alot of ppl can do bidness like this and still stay on top. So while it might not be right to some it was definatly right in my book and glad the man did what he did. SHOWS YA GOT NUTZ IN MY BOOK.


steps down off soap box.

By all means I am not saying don't handle the business ... I just say do it a different way is all. I am not a key board commando in the least bit. If I got a problem with someone ... believe me THEY will know about ... just not the whole world.

The Kicker thing was a good and also bad example. The results were bad, and good at the same time. It sort of boils down to choosing a presidential canidate ... pick the lesser of two evils no matter what it was still a bad situation in the end.

I lost a lot of respect for some people on that ... and to those who know me know that respect and integrity are my number 1 attributes.

P.S. Pioneer is perfect though

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

Stingraysevenout wrote:

Your my boy Gabe but i dont agree with you... Ya know getting on kicker for what they did now getting on this man for what he did. And hell honestly Pioneer isn't perfect, while i understand what you are saying... I will say this i have more respect for a manufacturer for taking up for himself and voicing his opinion rather than ones that sit back and dont say shhit.. Tis my opinion and you have yours . But honestly really this is just me . I would do bidness with the man just because he doesn't take any crap but maybe thats just me..

And i will be the first to tell anyone of my customers to eat a dick if they are wrong.. It works for me ask anyone of my customers , installers , or ppl that come around. I am a dick they know it but they still want me to work on their stuff period .. They take it cause they know i may go off but in the end it will be exactly what they needed and are very happy with the work they recieve.. So i guess in my rant im saying alot of ppl can do bidness like this and still stay on top. So while it might not be right to some it was definatly right in my book and glad the man did what he did. SHOWS YA GOT NUTZ IN MY BOOK.


steps down off soap box.

By all means I am not saying don't handle the business ... I just say do it a different way is all. I am not a key board commando in the least bit. If I got a problem with someone ... believe me THEY will know about ... just not the whole world.

The Kicker thing was a good and also bad example. The results were bad, and good at the same time. It sort of boils down to choosing a presidential canidate ... pick the lesser of two evils no matter what it was still a bad situation in the end.

I lost a lot of respect for some people on that ... and to those who know me know that respect and integrity are my number 1 attributes.

P.S. Pioneer is perfect though

GABE, If you had respect for me and lost it.........................

I don't respect you !!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should not have ANY respect for me in the first place !!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell is the matter with you ???????

In all seriousness, F*CK it.

Life is not perfect but neither am I

To the people that turned a blind eye to what happened, thank you.

Actually that last statement was in regards to another situation not this one. You just have not earned my respect yet is all. I give everyone a fair share at it though.

If your ever in NY,,look me up.

I try and meet competitors in the areas I travel too, so definately.

Just keep on making your stuff regardless of what others say. There is a right sub for every application regardless of maker ... so the more you put into it the more you can meet someones needs.

The difference between me and keyboard comandoes is ill still say it to whoever whenever that is just me ...And i dont mind hearing or seeing it from ppl LIKE ME.... This guy is awsome period if you ask me.. Like i said i love that he did what he did. But i still love you too, your just allll professional now and shitttt.... (just flippin ya shht)

Stingraysevenout wrote:

The difference between me and keyboard comandoes is ill still say it to whoever whenever that is just me ...And i dont mind hearing or seeing it from ppl LIKE ME.... This guy is awsome period if you ask me.. Like i said i love that he did what he did. But i still love you too, your just allll professional now and shitttt.... (just flippin ya shht)

A TON OF LOVE TO YOU TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like to be myself and keep it real.
I have heard from some of my close friends, some very,very well known and they told me to change the way I am, good advice for sure.
I can't let go of who I am and where I came from, being 150% myself and being true I think is what got me to where I am......... why blow it

EXACTLY BRO EXACTLY

LMAO all professional ... I think you are the first person to tell me that ... but I can work with that ... I think it turned me on a bit ... who you rooming with at finals

YOU BIG BOY............




It took you that long to see that... Damn you slippen

Hey............ Who wants to room with me ????
...... You know what they say about GREEK'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They like goats and sheep?

YUP we do, I will tell you though........... If they have a dream they were doing some Skiing and I had a dream I was getting a hand job..................

PC Lammy. PC!!!!

I'm sorry for my personal attack on your sexuality, Lammy.

I would guess as long as he doesn't take offence to the comment you're in the clear Mike.

Gotta watch myself now. Don't want to get banned.

I locked this thread in the belief that it has run its course.