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Which subs are better for loudness and SPL?
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bruce-bruce wrote:
Most everything built has a over seas tie. So you can blab your jaws about american made this or american made that. Use what is best and what is proven. I wont say, cause you all know where I stand. Quad used to run concept I guess all that stuff was american to huh..... scratch Rolling Eyes
bruces first post, as i said defending so try again, and a family man thats willing to starve his family for pride should be shot, i would nvr let my kid go hungry that consider you an abuser wow racking up the points here arent you
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aphinney
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look at all the drag records....look at all the loud drag guys and what do they use ???/ yep..that answers yours ? for ya...
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i hope your not meaning me because my family is my shop and business, why would i have a family when i can't give them 100% and kids none for me to busy being one, and can't afford it and would not have one in a world were we may have 15years left if were lucky!
i have enough friends that have been married 2-3 times paying there @ss off with child support etc, i don't need my phones

ringing asking when will i be home were am i at!!! you can have that life.

don't need someone telling me i can't buy this or that, but want the world handed to them, need to say more?

People today don't know the real meaning of Family.


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quad box
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And for the Women that read this it goes the other way alot of us are Dogs!!! lol
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Who is this quad talking about again?
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dbracer79
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First on announcement page,now here. Someone please enlight me.
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and to clarify of the two I would chose DD! I dont need to defend my stance because of someone elses ignorance
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8675309
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okay, let me just add this.....

Suspect

is he serious with the "family" and "women" comments?????
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ibbangin
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dd for me!

i hope i got more than 15 years left quad.....
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this tread got way off track as usual......now yall got me wondering how much time i have left? and if i'll have a job tomorrow....yall sure know how to get a man down...lol
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aphinney wrote:
look at all the drag records....look at all the loud drag guys and what do they use ???/ yep..that answers yours ? for ya...
420 didn't run DDs.
XS SPL Jeffrey didn't run DDs.
Cactus didn't run DDs.
Cactus Geoff didn't run DDs.
Tommy McKinnie didn't run DDs.
I think you're a few years behind dude.
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aphinney
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but....baldwin did, firgard did, boardersports, dante,craig buttler, kyle (pioneer) did, alot of the EUROS DO....

and nice....bro...read the question dd and fi....not cactus, t3 ect...
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He is asking this on a Usaci forum. I don't think the "loud" Brand X guys have anything to do with it.

I guess if you can't have Kicker in the question, the next best thing would be expensive $D$D$.
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lol nope those guys dont matter at all.....they are in the same sport we are and just giving references...but whatever...stayed off the forum for 2 months should of just kept it that way
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aphinney wrote:
lol nope those guys dont matter at all.....they are in the same sport we are and just giving references...but whatever...stayed off the forum for 2 months should of just kept it that way

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Kicker Kevin wrote:
He is asking this on a Usaci forum. I don't think the "loud" Brand X guys have anything to do with it.

I guess if you can't have Kicker in the question, the next best thing would be expensive $D$D$.


I don't like their support services. Maybe it's because I'm not with team kicker. scratch
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ya know..i got no problem with everyone being proud and standing behind their companies...but answer a few questions for me please kevin....

can you and your team do big numbers without kicker? or do u need kicker to do those awesome numbers yall are doin ? cause how i see it, yea yall are doin some crazy numbers with the kicker product, no doubt. but say u have dd, cactus,te,re, atomic,ect can u get as loud with it with time...cause i dont think that the product is where it is gettin your crazy numbers...i think it comes from all the time and effort yall put into the builds...i know how many hours it takes to do crazy numbers, i put a poop ton in as has my team to do 2 world titles. i am behind dd all the way like u are behind kicker full force...and that is awesome and shows amazing loyalty...but you make it sound like kicker is the only way to get loud in usaci and i dont agree with that. i think there are MANY awesome companies out there...

please dont take this personally at all, not my intention at all. i got no beef at all but just wanted to say that. once again..much respect for yalls goals that u guys set and achieved...MUCH RESPECT AND LOVE
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aphinney wrote:
ya know..i got no problem with everyone being proud and standing behind their companies...but answer a few questions for me please kevin....

can you and your team do big numbers without kicker? or do u need kicker to do those awesome numbers yall are doin ? cause how i see it, yea yall are doin some crazy numbers with the kicker product, no doubt. but say u have dd, cactus,te,re, atomic,ect can u get as loud with it with time...cause i dont think that the product is where it is gettin your crazy numbers...i think it comes from all the time and effort yall put into the builds...i know how many hours it takes to do crazy numbers, i put a poop ton in as has my team to do 2 world titles. i am behind dd all the way like u are behind kicker full force...and that is awesome and shows amazing loyalty...but you make it sound like kicker is the only way to get loud in usaci and i dont agree with that. i think there are MANY awesome companies out there...

please dont take this personally at all, not my intention at all. i got no beef at all but just wanted to say that. once again..much respect for yalls goals that u guys set and achieved...MUCH RESPECT AND LOVE

As far as our team goes, Justin and Angie both won without Kicker this past year. Jeff Sanford has won a World Title without Kicker.
We are not the only team that does great numbers with Kicker. Team Sweep, SWAT, etc.
If I remember correctly, there was more Kicker product used in SPL vehicles than any other product. That should tell you something there.
You can't go wrong with Kicker. It is that simple. Look at my class at finals. 3 competitors all had Kicker subs, all very close numbers, all very good builders, all above 160db!!!!!!!!

Kicker also is supporting Usaci and World Finals and has been for many years. That makes Ralph very happy.

Also you did a great job with DD. DD should be proud of you and your team.
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Basshead Chapa wrote:

I don't like their support services. Maybe it's because I'm not with team kicker. scratch

What is the problem? I am sure Tracy is more than willing to help resolve the situation.
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aphinney wrote:
look at all the drag records....look at all the loud drag guys and what do they use ???/ yep..that answers yours ? for ya...

Cactus Sounds wasn't a choice though. lol!
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Between Fi and DD. I think both are very good companies and have good products.
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You wont go wrong with either company....DD or FI.......flip a coin.
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Agreed.
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i agree with ya kev...lots of people use kicker...no doubt a great company for spl and 12volt world... and thanx kev for the props
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geoff ...cactus isnt loud so we dont even talk about that over here lol just kidding bro..hope the new build is coming along good...
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Basshead Chapa wrote:
Kicker Kevin wrote:
He is asking this on a Usaci forum. I don't think the "loud" Brand X guys have anything to do with it.

I guess if you can't have Kicker in the question, the next best thing would be expensive $D$D$.


I don't like their support services. Maybe it's because I'm not with team kicker. scratch

I have great support with them and I am not a team member, Tracy is the man.......

And back to the subject I would say both DD and FI, play with both see which work best in your set up, going to be differnt results for diffrent builders.....
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aphinney wrote:
geoff ...cactus isnt loud so we dont even talk about that over here lol just kidding bro..hope the new build is coming along good...

Your absolutely right. We need some teammates that want to win. Apply within. Laughing

What build? Wink
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Kicker Kevin wrote:
Basshead Chapa wrote:

I don't like their support services. Maybe it's because I'm not with team kicker. scratch

What is the problem? I am sure Tracy is more than willing to help resolve the situation.


A little late for that I think. lol!
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Kicker Kevin wrote:
He is asking this on a Usaci forum. I don't think the "loud" Brand X guys have anything to do with it.

I guess if you can't have Kicker in the question, the next best thing would be expensive $D$D$.

I always like how because they compete in other orgs they arent loud, if it works there id say its more thna likely gonna work well here.

Just my opinion but what od i know.
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