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PostSubject: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 pm

WELL AFTER A LONG HEATED DEBATE ON FB IT SEEMS PEOPLE THINK OF USACI AS AN ORG THAT DOESNT HAVE ANY STRUCTURED RULES OR ANY TYPE OF JUDGES THAT CARE TO ENFORCE THE RULES. I AM WONDERING IS THIS WHY YOU GUYS PLAY HERE BECASUE YOU CAN BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU WNAT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, ANDGET AWAY WITH IT JUST TO SKIP FINALS AND NEVER BE CORRECT ON BEING WRONG????


THIS IS A SIMPLE COPY AND PASTE FROM A COMPETITOR ON FB:

Alan Hall: I don't get why your choosing HERE to make usaci all like drag or Mwspl where people give a Dung Pile about rules.


IF THIS IS THE CASE HELL ILL SAVE MY GAS MONEY AND STAY HOME THIS YEAR, AND JUST LET YALL HAVE AT IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE A FAIR AND LEVEL PLAYING FIELD IS HAD BY ALL.

SO HOW MANY MORE OF YOU GIYS FEEL THIS WAY?????????


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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 9:47 pm

Well Jeff, the judging is hardly ever consistant in USACi with the exception of finals. This goes for both SPL and SQ. Gone are the days that we had thorough judges trainings on a regular basis.

The folks running the local shows either don't know or don't care about the written rules entirely too often. The competitors don't get the right instructions and feedback through out the year and end up at finals with REAL judging just to get reclassified or get their azz handed to them. And they don't understand why because they have never been shown otherwise.

I'm die hard UASACi and always have been. But I'd like to see a little more attention paid at the local level in order to help people get ready for the big show.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 9:51 pm

THANK YOU SIR
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 9:55 pm

We need some judges ! Region 9 has no one to run it now that Jaffe is out but Bruce. Dufner is the man . We need people
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 9:56 pm

IM MORE MEANING IS USACI THE NEW CHUMP ORG TO RUN BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ENFORCED RULES

IS THIS WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE A PART OF, AND HOW THEY SEE THIS ORG
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:04 pm

I agree 100% with John. Used to be you'd have 2 judges and they would dive in early in the show and really give the car a good look over.
Recently, you have one judge running the entire show. It is nearly impossible to do a good job when your having to rush. They judge tries to do what they can, but so much is missed, and then at a big regional show, or finals, they get hit with good thorough judging and bam, find out how much was missed through out the year. Has a tendancy to turn off a lot of new guys.
As far as SPL, only been in it a few years, but most show, I show up, tell them what I've got and what division I'm in and that is what I run. I'm a stickler for rules, but how many out there either don't know, or try to get into a smaller division to make it easier????? Don't know.
Good example is finals when I ran port wars for fun, that ws the first time ever that I was told I had to have ahold of the sensor during testing, and it could not just rest inside the box. Didn't matter to me as it was a fun run, but just an example that I cann't find in the rules.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:05 pm

Judges are the biggest problem, as in lack of. Just need more at a show. I got into SQ becasue of all the shows and competitors. Has several world champions from colorado, and haven't had a SQ show in how long????
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:07 pm

sanman wrote:
IM MORE MEANING IS USACI THE NEW CHUMP ORG TO RUN BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ENFORCED RULES

IS THIS WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE A PART OF, AND HOW THEY SEE THIS ORG

I don't know for sure on that, most in my area run becasue this was the only competitive org in the area for a long time. Most don't know about MWSPL and Iasca is way too far away.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:11 pm

I PUT UP ALANS STATEMENT IN MY POST TO USE IT AS A HEY WAITE A MINUTE PEOPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY THINK THIS WAY ABOUTN USACI. IT KINDA STUNNED ME THAT HE SAID THAT TO BE HONEST. ME AND ALAN TALK ALOT OF Dung Pile TO ONE ANOTHER, BUT THIS CAUGHT ME WAY OFF GAURD
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:23 pm

LoL..
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:31 pm

Jeff.. YES.. people feel and think that way and always have. The ONLY reason I said anything close to that is because your on FB trying to be a fukin hero threatening people of DQ..and talking to people as if you are a usaci official outside of your 2 days they need someone to fill a job.. its not nedded.. and retardely unprofessional as a usaci " official" .. you make people feel like your on a fukinwich hunt to DQ them..

I've said and discussed time and time again about the consistancy or lack of in this org. And how its really sad. Search my posts over the years.. you'll see.. the mind state is nothing new.. regardless if people will admit it..
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:37 pm

And you can't ask this to USACI competitors .. go on caco or term pro and tell them you did a 160 at a usaci event.. and see how that convo goes. Trust me.. I've been there time and time again DEFENDING usaci and its competitors
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:40 pm

Aaaaanndddd. It was more meaning why are YOU (who is not ralph or a director) on FB (of all places to push rule issues) trying to throw a fit and change the world (when no one who does call shots at usaci don't give a crap)..
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:43 pm

be a fukin hero threatening people of DQ..

TOTALLY FALSE YOU READ WHAT YOU WANTED TO READ OUT OF WHAT I SAID.

WHAT I SAID WAS GO AHEAD AND RUN AN ILLEAGAL CAR AND GET YOUR ASS DQ'D THEN ILL WATCH YOU FIX THE PROBLEM AND BE MROE THAN HAPPY TO VERIFY YOU AS LEGIT.


SOUNDS LIKE IM BEING A HERO THERE DONT IT. NO WHAT IT STATES IS THAT I WANT THINGS TO BE FARE, AND ALSO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO CORRECT THERE ISSUES.

I ALSO STATED THAT I DONT MAKE THE DECISION SOLELY IT TAKES 2

DONT TRY TO TWIST MY WORDS INTO WHAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BELEIVE MAN
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:44 pm

THEY GIVE A CRAP OR I WOULDNT HAVE BEEN THANKED FOR THE WAY I DID THINGS LAST YEAR, AND INVITED BACK AT THAT TIME.

MAYBE YOU DONT WANT TO THINK THINGS CAN CHANGE BUT THAT DONT MEAN THEY CANT OR WONT.

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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:46 pm

Uh yeah.. there's definitely more to that sentence. And that's not what you typed..
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:46 pm

I've begged and pleaded to change and help. Don't even man..
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:47 pm

AND IVE TALKED TO RALPH ABOUT THE WAY I AM IN THE PAST AND ASKED WHAT HE THINKS AND VERBATEM IW AS TOLD HE LOVES IT, AND TO BE ME
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:49 pm

How many people have actually read the rules? Have the Judges read them? Do they understand them? Case in point...Padre one competitor was told that he had to have his rear panels in the car in order to run stock 0-600. If anyone actually read the rules it states:

STOCK Division: Competitors may not compete in the stock division if they meet any of the
requirements for a “PRO” competitor as defined previously in these rules.
Alternator, capacitance, battery, voltage, and amplifier limits are defined in “Appendix A” (located at the
end of this book).
Pickups may have equipment (batteries, amps, crossovers, etc.) located in the bed. This equipment may
not protrude above the factory bed rail or more than 36 inches from the front wall of the factory bed. (Not
the bed lip).
No Speakers or enclosures are allowed outside the cab. Bed cuts are not allowed. Factory
panels may be removed in the cargo area to facilitate system installation.
Podiums will be allowed.
Modifications: No modifications will be allowed to the interior of the passenger compartment or exterior
of the vehicle in order to facilitate the audio system. The floor, ceiling and dashboard must be OEM or
equivalent to include all fabrics, coverings and carpets. Speakers larger than 8" and any speaker being
used for SPL must be located only in the designated “cargo” areas behind the “B” pillar. In passenger
cars this would be either in the trunk or hatchback area.
Enclosures in the cargo area of all vehicles
competing in the Stock division must be installed behind the rear most passenger seats. Neither the
enclosure, nor any device(s) affixed to the enclosure may protrude above the top of the rear seat back
or block the view out of the rear glass. Neither the enclosure nor any devices affixed to the enclosure
may protrude above the bottom of the side or rear glass panels. No modifications will be allowed to the
exterior of the vehicle and all portions of the system must remain inside the vehicle. Inside the vehicle is
defined as inside of the factory bodylines, roof, and floorboard. Equipment in or on trailers, hitch racks,
luggage racks and so on will not be permitted. No portion of the enclosure or audio system will be
permitted to be located outside of the vehicle to include the bed of a pickup.

Trucks, vans, SUV’s and cargo vehicles competing in the Stock division will be qualified thus:
In full size trucks originally equipped with forward facing rear seats, the cargo area will be defined as
being under or behind the rear seat only. In less than full size trucks or trucks with side facing rear seats,
the area behind the “B” pillars will be considered cargo area. In both or either of these cases, the
enclosure or speaker will not be allowed to protrude forward of the “B” pillars nor may the enclosure or
any devices affixed to it protrude above the bottom of the rear or side glass panels. This will also apply
to any vehicle that is originally manufactured with no rear passenger seats.
In vans and SUV’s with OEM
rear seats, the cargo area will be defined as the area behind the rear most seats. Vans and SUV’s that
are originally manufactured without rear seats cannot compete in the Stock division.
On vehicles with removable or convertible walls or panels, all equipment and all parts of the enclosure
must remain inside the passenger area and may not protrude into or be located in an open air “bed” or
other storage area not covered by the same roof that covers the passenger area. Jump seats in the
cargo area, behind the “B” pillar, and below the lowest window may be removed.
Exception: In the case of a single cab pickup truck the box, speakers, and amplifiers may extend forward
of the “b” post but must not extend further forward than the rear of the truck seat back. Seat back must
be locked in place and the seat mounting may not be moved to facilitate system installation.
The head judge at the event will interpret this rule.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:51 pm

Here's how it went down. No way in hell any usaci judge..trash taker outter.. owner.. whatever official from usaci should be talking and expressing a point to competitors..


Alan Hall
I don't get why your choosing HERE to make usaci all like drag or Mwspl where people give a Dung Pile about rules


Jeffrey Sanford
THE RULES I HAVE ALWAYS FALLOWED, AND THEY SHOULD BE FALLOWED BY ALL OTHERWISE WE WOULDNT HAVE THEM. THEY NEED TO BE FALLOWED AND ADHERED TO BY ALL WHO COMPETE PERIOD. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ABOVE THEM PLEASE TRY TO PASS SOMETHING BY ME THIS YEAR SO I CAN HAND YOU YOUR ASS IN THE LANES WITH A BIG DQ STAMP THEN WATCH YOU E,IMINATE WHAT EVER IT WAS SO YOU CAN COMPETE LEGALLY[b]
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:51 pm

VERBATEM FROM FB


Jeffrey Sanford THE RULES I HAVE ALWAYS FALLOWED, AND THEY SHOULD BE FALLOWED BY ALL OTHERWISE WE WOULDNT HAVE THEM. THEY NEED TO BE FALLOWED AND ADHERED TO BY ALL WHO COMPETE PERIOD. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ABOVE THEM PLEASE TRY TO PASS SOMETHING BY ME THIS YEAR SO I CAN HAND YOU YOUR ASS IN THE LANES WITH A BIG DQ STAMP THEN WATCH YOU E,IMINATE WHAT EVER IT WAS SO YOU CAN COMPETE LEGALLY

Jeffrey Sanford WELL THAT STAMP ISNT MINE SOLELY IT TAKES 2 AND IF YOU ARENT LEGIT THATS MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT YOU WILL GET
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:52 pm

ALAN YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT THE DRINK DOWN MAN ITS RIGHT ON FB
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:52 pm

Other guidelines:
Battery and Alternator may be upgraded, however the battery may not produce more than 14 volts while
the engine is not running and the alternator may not produce more than 14.7 volts. The driver or
passenger’s seats may not be relocated from the factory mounting location.
Any construction or speaker placement that may manipulate the SPL meter may be considered reason
to reclassify the vehicle to the Port Wars division or disqualification. This decision will be at the
discretion of the head judge.
Bed cuts will not be allowed in Stock Class.
A center console may be installed provided the console is not designed in such a way as to manipulate
the interior of the vehicle for the purposes of SPL. This will be at the sole discretion of the head official.
Rear passenger seats may be folded down during testing but may not be removed, nor may any part of
the seat be removed. Rear seat backs may be unbolted and folded over for testing but may not be
removed from the vehicle.
Amplifiers may be attached to the seat backs and folded down during testing. In such cases the seat
must be able to return and lock into the factory position after testing. Factory panels in the cargo area
may be removed to facilitate the system installation.

The audio source (head unit, changer, etc) may be removed from the vehicle during SPL testing.
Wireless remote controls may be used to operate the system from outside the vehicle and their use is
encouraged. Head units or other source units may be located in a “podium” during SPL testing if they
are part of the signal chain. The podium must be designed so the judge can easily open and inspect the
contents of the “podium”. The vehicle emergency brake must be set during testing.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:56 pm

Super Stock
This division uses the Stock rules with the exceptions as noted below.
“PRO” and “CONSUMER” competitors as defined previously in this book will be allowed in Super Stock.
Modifications:
Modifications will be allowed to the interior of the vehicle below the window line and behind the “B” post.
Factory panels above the window line must remain in tact.
No modifications will be allowed to the interior
of the passenger compartment forward of the “B” pillars. The floor, ceiling and dashboard must be OEM.
Speakers larger than 8" and any speaker being used for SPL must be located only behind the “B” pillars.
The speakers and enclosure must not protrude beyond the leading edge of the “B” pillars or above and
imaginary line from the lowest window line of the vehicle to the next lowest window line of the vehicle.
This applies to all vehicles including cargo vans and SUV’s. No modifications will be allowed to the
exterior of the vehicle and all portions of the system including batteries must remain inside the vehicle.
Inside the vehicle is defined as inside of the factory bodylines, roof, and floorboard. Equipment in or on
trailers, hitch racks, luggage racks and so on will not be permitted. No portion of the enclosure or audio
system will be permitted to be located outside of the vehicle,
EXCEPTIONS: Pickup trucks with the rear of the cab and/or front of the bed cut out in order to allow
speaker or box placement in the truck bed are allowed in the this division. Any cut must not exceed the
overall height of the bed or the vehicle window line, whichever is lower. In these vehicles the floor of the
truck bed may not be lowered or cut. Wheel wells must be OEM. Vehicles using the bed of the a truck
for speaker enclosures may use the entire bed area for speakers and equipment.
There are differences in allowances for Alternators, capacitance, batteries, voltage, and amplifiers.
These differences are defined in “Appendix A” (located at the end of this book).

Now with all the contradictions just in these two sections I wonder why people are leaving USACi. So according to the rules highlighted above stock can remove all panels in the cargo area and super stock can only remove the one below the window line. How does that make sense? There are several more through out the rule book.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:56 pm

All I can say is muthr funkn PADRE!!!!
I played by the rules and got funked. I lost a ring and time and money I invested. Rules? Why the fornicate even bother? End rant, see ya.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:58 pm

sanman wrote:
VERBATEM FROM FB


Jeffrey Sanford THE RULES I HAVE ALWAYS FALLOWED, AND THEY SHOULD BE FALLOWED BY ALL OTHERWISE WE WOULDNT HAVE THEM. THEY NEED TO BE FALLOWED AND ADHERED TO BY ALL WHO COMPETE PERIOD. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ABOVE THEM PLEASE TRY TO PASS SOMETHING BY ME THIS YEAR SO I CAN HAND YOU YOUR ASS IN THE LANES WITH A BIG DQ STAMP THEN WATCH YOU E,IMINATE WHAT EVER IT WAS SO YOU CAN COMPETE LEGALLY

Jeffrey Sanford WELL THAT STAMP ISNT MINE SOLELY IT TAKES 2 AND IF YOU ARENT LEGIT THATS MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT YOU WILL GET

What does your back step when you realized you need 2 people to DQ someone and you aren't the all mighty have to do with it? What's that quote prove at all? Does it show your NOT on FB threatening to DQ people?
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 10:59 pm

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MOONIE AND HIS CREW AGAIN

OR ARE WE NOT GOING TO POINT FINGERS JUST THROW AQUISATIONS
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 11:02 pm

YOU MAD A COMMENT SO I INVITED YOU TO TRY TO PROV E YOURSELF AGAINST ME AND TRY TO RUN SOMETHING THROUGH THE LANES THAT WASNT LEGIT THATS WHAT IT IS

POINTED AT YOU NOT ANYONE BUT YOU I WOULD BE DOING MY JOB AS A VERIFICATION JUDGE.


YOU MADE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT BEING ALL ABOUT THE RULES LIKE TERMPRO,MWSPL AND THATS WHEN THAT COMMENT CAME OUT LIKE YOU WANT TO TRY SOMETHING
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 11:04 pm

Man.. Alan's so wrong in his opinion. Lol. Glad to see others step up and agree. I've bitched and said this Dung Pile for years.
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PostSubject: Re: OPINIONS NEEDED ON USACI   Wed May 23, 2012 11:06 pm

YOUR NOT WRONG YOU JUST DONT WANT TO LISTEN WHEN I SAY IT

AND NOW YOUR MAD BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LISTEN TO YOU THEN, BUT ARE SPEAKING UP NOW


ALAN STOP MAKING THIS ABOUT YOU MAN ITS ABOUT THE ORG NO MATTER WHO BRINGS IT UP
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