att usaci points question

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so whats the deal with points for finals there are a lot of ppl who got 200 points but don't have 75 in a class..... they have there points scattered all over the place...

do streetbeat and thats it, if thats all you have qualified for. You shouldnt be able to do streetbeat to get invited and then pick and choose what class you have a chance at winning at. Especially if you havent competed in them all year long.

daddy_j wrote:

true that rd s10.

they should just have one comp all year, and it be finals. thats what these guys are saying. The s10 is only coming out the garage once a year now. Who needs an oil change or anything else for that matter. Just drop her off the dolly and drive her back on. Less than 20 feet a year. I'll take a gallon of gas please...... for the next 5 years, lol. The ring seems to mean more than a world championship, now a days. WOW.
Image how much money usaci will lose with no one needing to go to any of thier shows. Well I guess one show, finals. I understand for the people that only have a show or two a year, but for the bigger city guys, you should have to have the 75/200 points required.

no 75/200 period honesty i think they should raise the point requirement to at lest 300.....

I know what you are saying, this is finals. You should have to qualify and earn your spot. Not just any joe blow can compete. Sounds kinda stupid to me. Oh well it wont stop me from competing this year at finals, but we'll have to see for next year. I'll just build for South Parde. I mean what do you really get out of finals, a trophy...wow. The bragging rights to say your a world champ, I mean thats kinda cool, but the ring is pretty nice. I mean do you get a championship belt or anything, or just bragging rights?

If its only one show per year how much is the entry and will they have Budweiser ?

rd s10 wrote:

daddy_j wrote:

true that rd s10.

they should just have one comp all year, and it be finals. thats what these guys are saying. The s10 is only coming out the garage once a year now. Who needs an oil change or anything else for that matter. Just drop her off the dolly and drive her back on. Less than 20 feet a year. I'll take a gallon of gas please...... for the next 5 years, lol. The ring seems to mean more than a world championship, now a days. WOW.
Image how much money usaci will lose with no one needing to go to any of thier shows. Well I guess one show, finals. I understand for the people that only have a show or two a year, but for the bigger city guys, you should have to have the 75/200 points required.

no 75/200 period honesty i think they should raise the point requirement to at lest 300.....

thats kool an all but i had to drive 4+ hours to some shows... and i didnt even need to being that im in streetbeat... i just went to support my teamates... shows arent that often out in these parts.

Well I just went through every single name to see who qualified for finals in 1801 - up prostock and there is only 3. Two qualified because they won a reginal event not enough points but a reginal is a reginal fair and square, and the only other person had enough points (over 75 and 200). One guy had 72 points (close but no cigar)So if the rules are followed, looks like everyone will place, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Lets see who gets screwed.

As I said those in areas where there are no shows can have a waiver or something. Just my thoughts on the whole thing.

daddy_j wrote:

Well I just went through every single name to see who qualified for finals in 1801 - up prostock and there is only 3. Two qualified because they won a reginal event not enough points but a reginal is a reginal fair and square, and the only other person had enough points (over 75 and 200). One guy had 72 points (close but no cigar)So if the rules are followed, looks like everyone will place, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Lets see who gets screwed.

As I said those in areas where there are no shows can have a waiver or something. Just my thoughts on the whole thing.

since when does winning a regional get you an autoinvite?

Only in SQ you when a reginal and its auto invite... Troy i saw ya callled i will hit ya up tomm bro...


And Aldo a couple years back it was discused about belts i even have the prototype it is nice ..... Would have been kewl too. If you go to my videos on youtube look at my 0-600 run on one pd 2000 about 3 years ago... The belt it on my front winshield it kewl looking check it out if you get time..

Dont forget about the points curve. When I lived in IL we only had to have 100 points for finals.

il isnt the midwest

but u still have to have 75 in a class that is what is in discussion

I thought Ralph had said this yr no points curve?

he said no point curve for the midwest

There are a good number of shows in Both KC and St. Louis. Should be no prob getting MO points.

The problem is some people are intentionally not doing events this year in an effort to get the points curve higher. This is good for no one including USACI.

Points curve will be dertermined based on the number of shows per state as compared to last season.

Same number of events = same points curve.
Larger number of events = Same curve 2009 - re-evaluate 2010
Smaller number of events = smaller points curve.

We do not want to encourage people to not hold events.
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Ralph Randall
President, USAC International
www.unifiedworldfinals.com
"Two Days, Two Organizations, One Huge Event!"
USACI/dBDRA World Finals 2009
October 3-4, 2009 Tulsa, OK

Maybe they should pay attention to cars too then.. 75 points in your finals class and CAR.. even if there is a curve. but that would involve a director doing more than sitting in a chair starting the TL. i cant remember the last time i saw anyone even check amps or make sure a car was really legal for stock.. so this might be TO much work.. lol

^^^^ lol

so it looks like only one person can run prostock 1801 and up. Should be an easy 1st place trophy. Points cut off already happen correct? So if you dont have 75 in prostock 1801 and up, you cant run it at finals correct? The guy with the highest points has 150 points in that class and the guy with 72 points is the second highest points in prostock 1801 and up. So even with the curve there should only be 2 competitors correct. Unless you get an instant invite because your a defending champ. I mean this isnt the karate kid. Points are points correct? And lets say they let someone run that doesnt have 75 points, can you pay the $1000 to get some sort of investigation going.

I know this sounds like crying to some, but that some will probably not have enough points in their class. Its not fair for someone to go to all of the shows and support USACi, and then for USACi to turn around and $hit down their throats, in my opinion.

Alan wrote:

Maybe they should pay attention to cars too then.. 75 points in your finals class and CAR.. even if there is a curve. but that would involve a director doing more than sitting in a chair starting the TL. i cant remember the last time i saw anyone even check amps or make sure a car was really legal for stock.. so this might be TO much work.. lol

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no where in the rule book does it say anything about having to get the points in the car you will be using at finals

how many times do i have to tell people to read the rule book on here before they make a post

daddy_j wrote:

so it looks like only one person can run prostock 1801 and up. Should be an easy 1st place trophy. Points cut off already happen correct? So if you dont have 75 in prostock 1801 and up, you cant run it at finals correct? The guy with the highest points has 150 points in that class and the guy with 72 points is the second highest points in prostock 1801 and up. So even with the curve there should only be 2 competitors correct. Unless you get an instant invite because your a defending champ. I mean this isnt the karate kid. Points are points correct? And lets say they let someone run that doesnt have 75 points, can you pay the $1000 to get some sort of investigation going.

I know this sounds like crying to some, but that some will probably not have enough points in their class. Its not fair for someone to go to all of the shows and support USACi, and then for USACi to turn around and $hit down their throats, in my opinion.

points cutoff is sep 13th so it has not yet passed, also those who have points in prostock open can apply those points to any power class they wish inside the prostock division since we only have power classes at 3x and up events.

also, since when do returning champs get an automatic invite? once again, refer to the rule book

so we make a special rule for a region, its either all regions or no regions imho. I agree with you daryl, but this rule was directed at one specific group of people. i dont think its right. KS had all of 2 shows. so while mo had a lot and they were close enough to get points. ks didnt have them. and points curves have always been done by state.


However its been stated before. Wanna compete bring some cash......

i didnt say you get an instant invite, I was asking because there is a current champ that didnt have enough points to compete at finals, but he did if you count prostock open. Thats cool, clears things up kickercrx. Thanks. So can you use the prostock open for two different prostck classes? Thanks.

Ummm Chad ole chad.. you and your rulebook bro... Call Ralph on the whole must be in car your using... He has said it for 10 years now... Things are not always so cut and dry with the rules like you think sir....

You maybe just should of been a dammn lawyer or you already are.... LOL Its just CAR AUDIO PPL.... JESHHHHHHHH

you can only compete in one class per division at a show. so yeah you can apply the open points to say, 0-600 if you want, but not both 0-600 and 601-1800 because you can only do one power class per division per show.


that brings up another point, after looking at the results i saw directors are still letting people do this, which all leads to what we have already said, its all about the money, not the rule book, the rulebook says only 1 class per divison at each show, but the almighty dollar's voice is louder than the rulebooks voice and says you can compete in as many power classes as you want within the division at whatever show you want. if i remember right one of them was even a 3x event, did like prostock 0-600, 601-1800, and 1801+ all at the same show

page 8 para 2

Each vehicle can be entered and judged in only one power class but in as many divisions as it
may qualify to compete in

Streetbeat you can do this as long as you meet the requirements per class, but not outlaw spl

Stingraysevenout wrote:

Ummm Chad ole chad.. you and your rulebook bro... Call Ralph on the whole must be in car your using... He has said it for 10 years now... Things are not always so cut and dry with the rules like you think sir....

well he has never said it to me nor have i seen him say it on the forum either, so to me its not a rule if its not in the rule book or made know in some way to the competitors.

hey i compete according to the rulebook and thats how i build my vehicles and go about my business, SO SHOULD USACi

this is one guy at one show, all about the money lolol not the rulebook

MemberID: C126997
Date Event Host Vehicle Category Type
Baker David
Place Points
06/13/2009 TEXAS SHOWDOWN None None None SPL/PRO STOCK/601-1800 TP 1 45
06/13/2009 TEXAS SHOWDOWN None None None SPL/PRO STOCK/1801-UP TP 2 36
06/13/2009 TEXAS SHOWDOWN None None None SPL/PRO STOCK/0-600 TP 1 45

another thing, at shows where a local division is run why are people allowed to run in local and national classes, if you national your national right?

one guy ran local, stock, and streetbeat all at one show, guess what, he got points for the local class tooo lololololol

Stingraysevenout wrote:

Ummm Chad ole chad.. you and your rulebook bro... Call Ralph on the whole must be in car your using... He has said it for 10 years now... Things are not always so cut and dry with the rules like you think sir....

i called ralph directly last year. points are for the person not the vehicle.

My veiws on points and invites.

If you get and invite for being a member of usaci and running street beat once the invite is only good for the street beat class you ran and the open classes (Port, Super port and Trunk).

Trunk simular to Street beat.(I think its open this year)

If you want to run Stock, Pro stock, Mod or Super mod you should have to have 200 points and 75 in the class you want to run. If you wanted to run Pro stock and Super mod you would have to have 200 points with 75 in Pro stock and 75 in Super mod. If you have 200 points and 75 in class and want to run a second class you can run Street beat, Trunk, Port wars or super port with out any other points. 75 point should be in car you take to finals.

If you don't have points you can only run Trunk, Port or Super port.

Points received for WR runs and judging should be used. Special invites and points curves should be very limited.