FULL RATED RMS POWER???

First topic message reminder :

So,
USACi has been plagued with 'cheater amps' for over a decade.

Orion was notorious w/ their old school 1/2watt amps....and since then, the problems hAve only compounded exponentially!!!

Yes, the 'best' amps in each class usually show up in world record and national title winning vehicles...but even after protest some have come back w/ mixed results. EX...the original results on the DD M3, came back as a non-legal amp in 0-600 at first then after at 're-test' came back as 'LEGAL' at 4ohm-600w. Then w/ the Cactus, its rated well over the 600w+30% in the manual, but still passes for '600w' classes????? Also, many others.

Hell, 'back in the day' a certain manu was listed as UNLIMITED no matter what series amp you had from them. And that was due to them putting 1800w boards in 1200w-listed cases so they could get in the old 0-300w classes. But, as of late, this brand seems to be in the 'good graces' of USACi.

Anyone that has every tested an amp at multiple loads knows that NO AMP currently on the market will truly produce 1/2 rated power when your double the load! Hell, if I could design an amp that could REALLY do that (without a choke), I would make HELL of alot of $$$$$. (and possibly win a Noble Prize in physics)

So, what do YOU USACi MEMBERS think about the '4ohm ratings' in today's playing field?


Is it out dated?
Would retailers see a gain (by using USACi as a marketing tool) in sales given real world ratings?
Would it help clear up confusion for newbz?

Read my poll and vote....

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EDIT:
I just gotta say...the 30% rule makes alot more since at 'full rated' power @ 14.4v @63hz than anything else.
Hell, If my customer has an ARC 1000.1 , its 'rated' 850w rms @ 4ohm....why the hell does he have to go up against 2 IA 20.1's?
This kinda thing makes retailers not want to host USACi events.

Yes, our shop vehicles will hold their own. But our customers will be pulverized due to unfair ratings. Hell, some shops may even loose customers due to this.

if you have an issue with my above statement let me break it down for you

they were knowledgable in a few areas but not all

I will be in stock .25!

Hey Sanman this is just like dejavoooo every couple years lets change this and that and blah blah right...



here ya go bro i know this will make ya laugh

$150 - 0.5 ohm class!

@ Sanman,
You know that I don't throw around "big words" to be condescending. Most of the people that compete are really intelligent (including yourself). Just to build a 10kW system without killing yourself, requires more engineering knowledge than 99% of Americans have. So no... if I'm talking to this crowd, there's no need to sugar coat things like at CA. com... "Dang, son! Those Type-ARRGH's are murdering the lows!"


You're 100% right that I'm too green (young and inexperienced) to know everything about USACI ... I started in 2001 as a "dumb as dirt" high school SPL wannabe. 2 builds/year since then, and I have been actively competing for the last 2 years.

I still don't know squat, but it's hard to believe that crying caused all the problems.
- If favoritism caused the problems... get rid of the bums who allowed it.
- If rules-changing caused the problems... never change the rules.
- If the economy caused the problems... things should naturally improve soon.
- If a lack of small classes is the problem... try one and see if it's popular.
- If a lack of excitement is the problem... let's put USACI center-stage at some big shows.
- If a lack of sponsors is the problem... let's blitz the market and get companies involved.
- If crying caused the problems... shut down the forum.

Identify the problem, and let's push for the solution. Something's obviously wrong, so help pinpoint the issue, rather than blame it on the past and future whiners.

And to all you guys that B I T C H about USACI AND ITS RULES we on Team Driven Elite SAY IT LIKE THIS GUYS...











GET IN WHERE YOU FIT IN OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND SPEND DA MONEY TO GET THE RIGHT AMPS AND SUBS OR STFU

it aint gonna change!! it is fine how it is!!! im a newb to usaci and i like it better then the other orgs. stop trying to get a org to change rules to where your car is built to and build your car to the class that you want!! otherwise run what ya brung and stfu!!!

there is nothing wrong with usaci all that needs to happen is people adjust to the current rules of fornicating kick rocks

trying to change everything isnt the answer stability, and continuity is

poundstone wrote:

it aint gonna change!! it is fine how it is!!! im a newb to usaci and i like it better then the other orgs. stop trying to get a org to change rules to where your car is built to and build your car to the class that you want!! otherwise run what ya brung and stfu!!!

i Xs 2 this!!!! im a noob also.. but it took me lots of hard work and detication to be in the 160s not bishin and moanin.. this is a sport not a hobby! i dont think the spurs got to where they are today kuz they bished and moaned there way to the top.

exactly and as for cheater amps there is no such thing in my book anymore. u tell me how many companies build amps for classes in usaci anymore? none that i know of other then the amps that are already out dont get mad at usaci cuz your favorite company didnt wanna support the sport u love so their amp isnt rated usaci friendly!! just the way it is and if u r in 1801+ does it really matter?lol i know half the guys on here could take a aq 2200 and give you a rd d5 and all their knowledge bout it and still stomp your ass with a amp that is considered not a cheater and not on their level.lol just the way it is not meant towards anybody just a example but thats just how competition is you cant please everybody!!

WHATS A CHEATER AMP????

ShowB wrote:

Yes Navi, REALLY Hey they got back on the subject. I know you Hate it ... SORRY!

they need the class.. other wise you need 2k$+ and a car u only plan to run for 30 secs tops, and alot of knowledge whcih newbs like myself arent going to have to compete.. but there is no where in the rules it talks about this class.. i didnt know it existed.. so how would anyone else who just gets on the site

a cheater amp from what i see on here from people is

an amplifier that falls withing a 4 ohm power limit as other amplifiers people use, but puts out more power than there certain amplifier does therefore it has to be a cheater amplifier because it is stronger lol


get real people this is exactly why most of you think its a cheater amplifier

how is it a cheater amp if everybody can buy it?lol and they arent that expensive u can get a ab200.1 for like 500 thats not too much. hell i had 1600 in my setup last year for stock 0-600 and last test did a 154 with that setup in a jeep. that aint bad for 4 10's and a 600w amp (@ 40hm.lol we got 4000w out of it) especially for the price and minimum testing!! and that was 3 batts a cactus 600 and 4 10's and wire included people just dont know what shits worth!!

outsideshot23 wrote:

ShowB wrote:

Yes Navi, REALLY Hey they got back on the subject. I know you Hate it ... SORRY!

they need the class.. other wise you need 2k$+ and a car u only plan to run for 30 secs tops, and alot of knowledge whcih newbs like myself arent going to have to compete.. but there is no where in the rules it talks about this class.. i didnt know it existed.. so how would anyone else who just gets on the site

I am the only director that does it that is why you don't know about it.

(hiding back under my rock now from Navi)

ShowB wrote:

outsideshot23 wrote:

ShowB wrote:

Yes Navi, REALLY Hey they got back on the subject. I know you Hate it ... SORRY!

they need the class.. other wise you need 2k$+ and a car u only plan to run for 30 secs tops, and alot of knowledge whcih newbs like myself arent going to have to compete.. but there is no where in the rules it talks about this class.. i didnt know it existed.. so how would anyone else who just gets on the site

I am the only director that does it that is why you don't know about it.

(hiding back under my rock now from Navi)

i dont know if u did teh show last year at durant but i was out of town and had some people run my treuck and they said they put me in the local class and i didnt even know what it was.. i think the show was okla shakedown

outsideshot23 wrote:

ShowB wrote:

outsideshot23 wrote:

ShowB wrote:

Yes Navi, REALLY Hey they got back on the subject. I know you Hate it ... SORRY!

they need the class.. other wise you need 2k$+ and a car u only plan to run for 30 secs tops, and alot of knowledge whcih newbs like myself arent going to have to compete.. but there is no where in the rules it talks about this class.. i didnt know it existed.. so how would anyone else who just gets on the site

I am the only director that does it that is why you don't know about it.

(hiding back under my rock now from Navi)

i dont know if u did teh show last year at durant but i was out of town and had some people run my treuck and they said they put me in the local class and i didnt even know what it was.. i think the show was okla shakedown

Yep that was me Oklahoma Shakedown I think that is what it was called. Had a great time there!