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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:22 am | |
| but i didnt see any changes to prostock in the actual rules.... i see the class break down but nothing about the actual rules can u have cut thru or is it no wall to allow other cars in there???? | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:23 am | |
| Division & Power Class Amplifier Quantity Allowed Vehicle Interior Modifications Battery Quantity Allowed Caps Alternators Max Volts Max RPM's Street Beat Divisions Street Beat - 1 Unlimited Limited* Unlimited Unlimited 1 14.7 1200 Street Beat - 2 Unlimited Limited* Unlimited Unlimited 1 14.7 1200 Street Beat - 3 Unlimited Limited* Unlimited Unlimited 1 14.7 1200 Street Beat - 4 Unlimited Limited* Unlimited Unlimited 1 14.7 1200 Street Beat - 5 Unlimited Limited* Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 1200 Stock Divisions Stock 0-600 Watts 1 No 1+ Stock** Unlimited Unlimited 14.7 1200 Stock 601-1800 Watts 3 No 1+ Stock** Unlimited Unlimited 14.7 1200 Stock 1801+ Watts Unlimited No Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 14.7 1200 Pro Stock Divisions Pro Stock - No Wall 0-600 Watts 1 Behind "B" Pillar - Below Glass Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Pro Stock - No Wall 601-1800 Watts 3 Behind "B" Pillar - Below Glass Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Pro Stock - No Wall 1801+ Watts Unlimited Behind "B" Pillar - Below Glass Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Modified Divisions Modified 0-1000 Watts 2 Behind the "B" Pillar Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Modified 1001-2000 Watts 4 Behind the "B" Pillar Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Modified 2001-4000 Watts 8 Behind the "B" Pillar Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Modified 4001+ Watts Unlimited Behind the "B" Pillar Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Super Modified Divisions Super Modified 0-4000 Watts 8 Yes Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Super Modified 4001+ Watts Unlimited Yes Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Trunk Divisions Trunk 0-1000 Watts 2 Trunk Only 1+ Stock** Unlimited 1 14.7 1200 Trunk 1001+ Watts Unlimited Trunk Only 2+ Stock** Unlimited Unlimited 14.7 1200 Port Wars Division Port Wars Unlimited Yes Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 Super Port Wars Unlimited Yes Unlimited Unlimited Unlimited 18 1200 | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:24 am | |
| and what kind of mods are allowed under the window lline and behind the b piler | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:30 am | |
| if cut thru are allowed i dont get how we can call it stock????? or was it just to shut up jimbo so he doesnt freak out over not having a pro stock class...lol | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:31 am | |
| i guess im the only one up??????????? | |
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Alarm God Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1272 Age : 52 Location : Arlington,TX Registration date : 2007-11-14
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:53 am | |
| The question I have is why can someone running in the stock classes have more than 1 alternator, but not in street beat 1-4? I mean really how many "consumers" have more than 1 alternator in their daily vehicle? Street Beat takes alot more power to run for 30 seconds than to burp for what 3-5 seconds. If there was to be rule changes then that is where I personally would have started. Make the classes match what they are. Stock should be stock. No multiple alternator setups that would be prostock. Battery limits for stock should be according to amplifier power. I mean look at the trunk classes 0-1000 gets 1+stock battery and 1 alternator, but 1001+ get unlimited batteries and alternators. I my opinion street beat should have been allowed multiple alternators not the stock classes. Prostock should be exactly that prostock, multiple batteries, alternators...ect. If I am wrong in my thinking someone please explain it to me so I can understand why. | |
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SQcrewcab Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 801 Age : 45 Location : Springfield, IL Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:14 am | |
| It does say this for "mods".. "Behind "B" Pillar - Below Glass" so i guess anything goes behind the B pillar and below the window line? Sounds like a blow thru works.. | |
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Navi Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3105 Age : 47 Location : Victoria, TX Registration date : 2007-06-25
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:19 am | |
| if you are still comparing any class in usaci to what real consumers do you have comprehension issues.... | |
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Alarm God Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1272 Age : 52 Location : Arlington,TX Registration date : 2007-11-14
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:06 am | |
| - Navi wrote:
- if you are still comparing any class in usaci to what real consumers do you have comprehension issues....
No comprehension issues here, just trying to find out why a "stock" class vehicle can have multiple alternators but not streetbeat 1-4. | |
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Alarm God Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1272 Age : 52 Location : Arlington,TX Registration date : 2007-11-14
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:08 am | |
| Also what about the 36" rule for minitrucks? Is that still in effect? | |
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dbdaddy Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 821 Age : 45 Location : katy,texas Registration date : 2009-01-03
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:16 am | |
| there are enough regular non pro consumers that have dual alternators that there are prefab brackets to do it with. if it was pros only, we would still be fabricating brackets. my point is that street beat 1-5 should all be allowed to use as many alternators as it takes to beat the street. voltage should be the only difference between pro and not. there are more woofers to power in the weakest sb4 car for 30 sec. than in the biggest trunk car for 1 sec. but they can put two hundred alternators if it will fit just to burp. | |
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hunterw Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1172 Age : 38 Registration date : 2007-11-04
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:19 am | |
| they took away stock 1801-3000 looks like stock 601-1800 for me | |
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210fordracing21 Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 849 Age : 36 Location : San antonio TX Registration date : 2009-07-29
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:19 am | |
| I agree street beaters should be allowed more alternators, but dont take them away from us stock guys! I'm kinda screwed now that there is no more stock 1801-3000! Mark brus is gunna murder me! Oh well I'll give it my best and thats all i can do! | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:18 am | |
| u havent bought amps yet just drop dpwn to 601-1800 | |
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Moonie Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1398 Age : 49 Location : Hobbs, New Mexico Registration date : 2009-02-18
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Stingraysevenout I own this joint!
Number of posts : 6002 Age : 51 Location : College Station Texas Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:31 pm | |
| Hmmmmmmmmm lol thanks d... to shut jimbo up thats awsome and it worked my ocd wouldn't of been able to handle it..lol
Yes i need to know about the 36" rule as well.... Ralph you have to at least limit the no wall batt room or let us have MORE ..... | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:46 pm | |
| ok just tall to darville no more 36" rule and cut thru are allowed | |
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RXZILLA Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 902 Age : 47 Location : Texas Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:46 pm | |
| - Alarm God wrote:
- The question I have is why can someone running in the stock classes have more than 1 alternator, but not in street beat 1-4? I mean really how many "consumers" have more than 1 alternator in their daily vehicle? Street Beat takes alot more power to run for 30 seconds than to burp for what 3-5 seconds. If there was to be rule changes then that is where I personally would have started. Make the classes match what they are. Stock should be stock. No multiple alternator setups that would be prostock. Battery limits for stock should be according to amplifier power. I mean look at the trunk classes 0-1000 gets 1+stock battery and 1 alternator, but 1001+ get unlimited batteries and alternators. I my opinion street beat should have been allowed multiple alternators not the stock classes. Prostock should be exactly that prostock, multiple batteries, alternators...ect. If I am wrong in my thinking someone please explain it to me so I can understand why.
Its because when streetbeat was first introduced, it was ment to be for the average consumer to start with. It was ment to be a 1 year event for anyone, then they were to move up to a regular USACI class. The class became very popular and now its a 200 point class like all the other ones and is all up for grabs now. It is a good question AG. | |
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Moonie Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1398 Age : 49 Location : Hobbs, New Mexico Registration date : 2009-02-18
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:47 pm | |
| sO YOUR GUYS ARE SAYING....I COULD HAVE A VAN WITH NO WALL AND PILE AS MANY BATTERIES AS I CAN STACK IN THAT PIG AND YOU S10 GUYS CANT GO 36 INCHS PAST THE BEDWALL?? | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:55 pm | |
| nope we s10 guy can have as many batts as we want now | |
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RXZILLA Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 902 Age : 47 Location : Texas Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:56 pm | |
| edited for stupidity...
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:07 pm | |
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Stingraysevenout I own this joint!
Number of posts : 6002 Age : 51 Location : College Station Texas Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:08 pm | |
| NO NO looks like we can use whole bed now...... | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:23 pm | |
| i guess i can't attempt that 1801-3k record anymore |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:26 pm | |
| well mabey we cant use the whole bed
STOCK Division: Competitors may not compete in the stock division if they meet any of the requirements for a “PRO” competitor as defined previously in these rules. Alternator, capacitance, battery, voltage, and amplifier limits are defined in “Appendix A” (located at the end of this book). Pickups may have equipment (batteries, amps, crossovers, etc.) located in the bed. This equipment may not protrude above the factory bed rail or more than 36 inches from the front wall of the factory bed. (Not the bed lip). No Speakers or enclosures are allowed outside the cab. Bed cuts are not allowed. Factory panels may be removed in the cargo area to facilitate system installation. Podiums will be allowed. Modifications: No modifications will be allowed to the interior of the passenger compartment or exterior of the vehicle in order to facilitate the audio system. The floor, ceiling and dashboard must be OEM or equivalent to include all fabrics, coverings and carpets. Speakers larger than 8" and any speaker being used for SPL must be located only in the designated “cargo” areas behind the “B” pillar. In passenger cars this would be either in the trunk or hatchback area. Enclosures in the cargo area of all vehicles competing in the Stock division must be installed behind the rear most passenger seats. Neither the enclosure, nor any device(s) affixed to the enclosure may protrude above the top of the rear seat back or block the view out of the rear glass. Neither the enclosure nor any devices affixed to the enclosure may protrude above the bottom of the side or rear glass panels. No modifications will be allowed to the exterior of the vehicle and all portions of the system must remain inside the vehicle. Inside the vehicle is defined as inside of the factory bodylines, roof, and floorboard. Equipment in or on trailers, hitch racks, luggage racks and so on will not be permitted. No portion of the enclosure or audio system will be permitted to be located outside of the vehicle to include the bed of a pickup. Trucks, vans, SUV’s and cargo vehicles competing in the Stock division will be qualified thus: In full size trucks originally equipped with forward facing rear seats, the cargo area will be defined as being under or behind the rear seat only. In less than full size trucks or trucks with side facing rear seats, the area behind the “B” pillars will be considered cargo area. In both or either of these cases, the enclosure or speaker will not be allowed to protrude forward of the “B” pillars nor may the enclosure or any devices affixed to it protrude above the bottom of the rear or side glass panels. This will also apply to any vehicle that is originally manufactured with no rear passenger seats. In vans and SUV’s with OEM rear seats, the cargo area will be defined as the area behind the rear most seats. Vans and SUV’s that are originally manufactured without rear seats cannot compete in the Stock division. On vehicles with removable or convertible walls or panels, all equipment and all parts of the enclosure must remain inside the passenger area and may not protrude into or be located in an open air “bed” or other storage area not covered by the same roof that covers the passenger area. Jump seats in the cargo area, behind the “B” pillar, and below the lowest window may be removed. Exception: In the case of a single cab pickup truck the box, speakers, and amplifiers may extend forward of the “b” post but must not extend further forward than the rear of the truck seat back. Seat back must be locked in place and the seat mounting may not be moved to facilitate system installation. The head judge at the event will interpret this rule. Microphone/sensor Placement: The microphone/sensor can be placed anywhere forward of the “B” pillar in the passenger compartment with a microphone/sensor globe attached. Special panels or enclosures for globe placement will not be allowed. The microphone or sensor may not be placed anywhere that is deemed “hazardous to the equipment” by the head judge. Other guidelines: Battery and Alternator may be upgraded, however the battery may not produce more than 14 volts while the engine is not running and the alternator may not produce more than 14.7 volts. The driver or passenger’s seats may not be relocated from the factory mounting location. Any construction or speaker placement that may manipulate the SPL meter may be considered reason to reclassify the vehicle to the Port Wars division or disqualification. This decision will be at the discretion of the head judge. Bed cuts will not be allowed in Stock Class. A center console may be installed provided the console is not designed in such a way as to manipulate the interior of the vehicle for the purposes of SPL. This will be at the sole discretion of the head official. Rear passenger seats may be folded down during testing but may not be removed, nor may any part of the seat be removed. Rear seat backs may be unbolted and folded over for testing but may not be removed from the vehicle. Amplifiers may be attached to the seat backs and folded down during testing. In such cases the seat must be able to return and lock into the factory position after testing. Factory panels in the cargo area may be removed to facilitate the system installation. The audio source (head unit, changer, etc) may be removed from the vehicle during SPL testing. Wireless remote controls may be used to operate the system from outside the vehicle and their use is encouraged. Head units or other source units may be located in a “podium” during SPL testing if they are part of the signal chain. The podium must be designed so the judge can easily open and inspect the contents of the “podium”. The vehicle emergency brake must be set during testing. PRO STOCK This division uses the Stock rules with the exceptions as noted below. “PRO” competitors as defined previously in this book will be allowed in Pro Stock. There are differences in allowances for Alternators, capacitance, batteries, voltage, and amplifiers. These differences are defined in “Appendix A” (located at the end of this book). Trunk Division: Trunk Division will use the “Stock Division” rules with the following exceptions: Modifications: Speakers larger than 8" and any speaker being used for SPL must be located only in the designated “Trunk” area behind the rear passenger seats. Enclosures in the Trunk Division must be installed behind the rear most passenger seats. Neither the enclosure, nor any device(s) affixed to the enclosure may protrude above the factory rear deck. The rear deck may not be cut out or modified other than to remove the factory speakers normally located in the rear deck. Amplifiers must be located in the trunk area. Amplifiers may be attached to the seat back and lean forward with the seat back during testing but must not interferer with the seat being placed back into the factory position. Extra batteries may be located in the trunk but cannot be located inside the passenger compartment. Vehicles without a “Trunk” will not be allowed in this division. “Hatchback” vehicle are not allowed. Rear passenger seats may be folded down during testing but may not be removed. Rear seat backs may be unbolted and folded over for testing but may not be removed from the vehicle. Amplifiers may be attached to the seat backs and folded down during testing. In such cases the seat must be able to return and lock into the factory position after testing. Factory panels in the trunk area may be removed to facilitate the system. Trunk division is open to consumers and pro’s. MODIFIED DIVISION: Alternator, capacitance, battery, voltage, and amplifier limits are defined in “Appendix A” (located at the end of this book.) Modifications: No modifications will be allowed to the interior of the passenger compartment forward of the “B” pillars. The floor, ceiling and dashboard must be OEM. Speakers larger than 8" and any speaker being used for SPL must be located only behind the “B” pillars. The speakers and enclosure must not protrude beyond the leading edge of the “B” pillars. This applies to all vehicles including cargo vans and SUV’s. No modifications will be allowed to the exterior of the vehicle and all portions of the system must remain inside the vehicle. Inside the vehicle is defined as inside of the factory bodylines, roof, and floorboard. Equipment in or on trailers, hitch racks, luggage racks and so on will not be permitted. No portion of the enclosure or audio system will be permitted to be located outside of the vehicle, EXCEPTIONS: Pickup trucks with the rear of the cab and/or front of the bed cut out in order to allow speaker or box placement in the truck bed are allowed in the modified division. In these vehicles the floor of the truck bed may be lowered to the level of the floor of the cab provided such change does not make any portion of the bed lower than the top side of the vehicle frame. All modifications should approximate the OEM in appearance and function (updated 12/23/2008) | |
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Stingraysevenout I own this joint!
Number of posts : 6002 Age : 51 Location : College Station Texas Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:53 pm | |
| Im not reading all that shiiit what basically does it say fucker what was the point in posting an old rule? Hell this still says 36" rulle estupid...lol | |
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Stingraysevenout I own this joint!
Number of posts : 6002 Age : 51 Location : College Station Texas Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:01 pm | |
| Im not reading all that shiiit what basically does it say fucker what was the point in posting an old rule? Hell this still says 36" rulle estupid...lol | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:03 pm | |
| I got 36" for ya right here, come and get it. |
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210fordracing21 Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 849 Age : 36 Location : San antonio TX Registration date : 2009-07-29
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:41 pm | |
| Hahaha Im thinking I'll stay in 1801-up! I like unlimited now affording it is another story! I'm gunna try cactus batts and 12 amps! Maybe then I'll get my 160! | |
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rd s10 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2411 Age : 38 Location : loc Registration date : 2008-06-17
| Subject: Re: new rules posted Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:08 am | |
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