Treo Test Results

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sanman wrote:

well the amperage draw seems to be little to me thats the only thing i see out the ordinary but then again im not an EE major lol

what if the regulated voltage in the amp was 11

see im lost now lol

Something doesn't look quiet right....no offense but who would even want a 52% efficiant amp? I'll stick with my really effeciant one I'm using....85%+

exactly, that is a total waste. It "coming alive" at 18 volts doesn't support anything either as any amp will "come alive" with more juice

This amp was designed for prostock and above. It is not a 12v amp. It would make a shitty amp for the average retail customer. prostock is not the average retail customer. unlimited batteries only limit by space. So what if it is not very efficient. its not designed around efficiency. Give it as many 18v batteries as you can. wire it as low as you can and give it hell. Oh yeah how many of your amps are at .1% THD right now.

Talonesi wrote:

This amp was designed for prostock and above. It is not a 12v amp. It would make a shitty amp for the average retail customer. prostock is not the average retail customer. unlimited batteries only limit by space. So what if it is not very efficient. its not designed around efficiency. Give it as many 18v batteries as you can. wire it as low as you can and give it hell. Oh yeah how many of your amps are at .1% THD right now.

Troy, Love you Buddy, But if the Amp comes alive at 16volts, the Amp won't be a good amp to use in streetbeat either, unless you were in SB5. I am talking about the CXT4.1i, Has anyone rated the CXT6.1. I used the 6.1 last year, I was interested on what that is rated at.

i was told 900@4

yes that is correct

yeah i know thats what they told me when we put the 3 in my s10

yea sam...ya right...either am i...i guess

well like i said all i know is its 1.2db louder than a 500 watt 200.1

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PhatSam wrote:

its not a great 12v amp.

Cow poopy,THAT SOUNDS LIKE CLASS AB NUMBERS TO ME

225 AMPS JUST TO PRODUCE 1691 WATTS PLUS 54% EFF.

ttt .

I can personally vouch for this testing facility. The test was done correctly.

This amplifier has multiple voltage rails ... hence the difference between 4 and 2 ohms. But I guess because I don't have an EE I wouldn't know that.

All we did is pay for testing. The amp was aquired via a dealer. We have all our amps still here at the shop. All I can say is the amp is a beast on 16v. When I played with it on 12v it did horrible and was beat out by older smaller treo amps.

Gabe Sanchez wrote:

I can personally vouch for this testing facility. The test was done correctly.

This amplifier has multiple voltage rails ... hence the difference between 4 and 2 ohms. But I guess because I don't have an EE I wouldn't know that.

BOOM!!!!!! DING DING DING!!!!!!

Finally, I was waiting for someone to catch this.

Ok, there ya go. Not saying there was any shady intentions on Treo's part, which I'm guessing there was none, but never the less this is kindof a big deal.

Without naming names I'll remind the old guys here what happened a few years ago when an amp that was tested at 4 ohms did 150 watts but at 1 did over a 1000.
As you already mentioned Gabe, it is quite easy to manipulate the output of an amp when a certain load is presented to it.
Our 4ohm rating system is pretty stout and has a way of catching this sort of thing.
If an amp is tested and verified to do only X amount at 4ohms, that number can still be overridden by any output that exceeds that number by more than 100% when the resistance is halved.

example
146 at 4ohm
281 at 2ohm
1100 at 1ohm

The actual 146watts would be overridden with a rating of 275 that is derived from the 1100.

As for this Treo, it doesnt matter because it says it only does
441 @4
901 @2
1689 @1

so a halving of the resistance twice would give us 422.25, which is lower anyhow so it's not that big of a deal.

BUT, its important we remember it is possible for companies to manipulate amplifiers outputs at various loads and voltages to cheat our rating system.

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Hmmm I think you are on to somthing Z!

If u guys have a problem with the amp then don't use them

team treo wrote:

If u guys have a problem with the amp then don't use them

I don't think that will solve the problem they are addressing. this is just going to open a whole nother door for cheater amps IMO.

we shouldn't have amps "built" for classes, to me its one of two thing. trying to "legally" beat the system or putting an amp out that has so much and advantage over the others in that class that it will HAVE to be the one used.

team treo wrote:

If u guys have a problem with the amp then don't use them

Im not hating on treo ams at all man.. I just think Z is on to somthing...

actually zac is all over it

The amp works fine on 12volts u don't have 2 use it 2 compete if u don't want 2 its just a good solid amp 4 whatever u want it 2 b a streetbeater or a comp amo

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team treo wrote:

The amp works fine on 12volts u don't have 2 use it 2 compete if u don't want 2 its just a good solid amp 4 whatever u want it 2 b a streetbeater or a comp amo

Sorry but at just over 50% eff. its not a solid amp, it might shine in the place it was designed to run but its not something a customer is going to be happy buying off the shelf.

I guess but I never had any problems wit mine

team treo wrote:

I guess but I never had any problems wit mine

Have you even used your amp yet, we were under the impression you were just farting into the mic with the numbers you put up!

Just so everyone knows ... what you are seeing happening in this amplifier really has nothing to do with a manufacture manipulating 4 ohm ratings at all ... in this case anyway. If an amplifier has multiple rails that is just another way for an amplifier to amplify.

Bottom line folks with this particular amp the manufacture decided to produce this "hybrid" amplifier. It was not to circumvent any system in this case at all. IT IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO AMPLIFY A SIGNAL. It does however cost more to produce, and from the results you can see that it is not as effecient as a typical class d. I am not knocking the technology they decided to go with in the least bit, sonically this technology sounds pretty darn good! But for SPL ... that really isn't needed.

I can actually go on and on about the different amplifier technologies, but I don't have EE so maybe I shouldn't say anymore.

Gabe I will give you a honorary EE from the University of Scott so you can continue as you wish.
Just let me know when you are done with it.

wasnt there some american bass amps that had 16volt and 12 volt verisons of the same amp? dont answer that it was a ritorical question and there are other manufacturers that build amp like this as well treo chose to ue this technology in their amps not to make a cheater amp from what i understand theres more of these amp on the street then there is in the lane so they must work just fine for daily. ive got no dog in this fight other then a few of my team mates are running this amp and wanted to be legit and in the correct classes so THEY not treo not jimbo not ralph payed to have the amp certified i guess your damned if you do and damned if ya dont if the amp had failed and been rerated they would have moved up to the right classes "Female dog" bitch "Female dog". is everyone gonna "Female dog" when the m3 results are posted? ill bet that amp does about the same power on 16 volts as the 4.1i
i think some are missing the picture here we rate amps for use in power classes by the 4 ohm @14.4 volt rating you got the results
if there was nowhere to send amps people would "Female dog" for that now that there is people "Female dog" about the results had it not been certified people would "Female dog" that its not rated correctly by the manufacturer

i understand the concerns about it coming alive on higher voltages
but it isnt the first one or the only one and .more then likely not the last one that gets down on 16 volts

Chris I've been using my 4.1 most of this season

team treo wrote:

Chris I've been using my 4.1 most of this season

Really, That's not sayin much for that amp. I was under the impression you were usin a 6.1?