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What's this talk about a remote location for finals if that's true ?if that's true attendance for indy just got murdered lol
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I may be wrong but if you are 12 volt you have to wait a year after you leave before competing in consumer. Either way let it be. Good luck to all I'm out.
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well, since the first shop never opened and i took an 18000 dollar loss, without opening my doors, you need to get your facts straight bud. we opened in december last year and have run sb5 and superstock ever since.

ill be damned if im gonna be called a cheater by a guy that is willing to accept a bogus number like that and not even back it. if i had a retarded judge doing my wr run and he didnt want me to back it, i wouldnt accept it. period.

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why dont you just shut me up by streetbeating a 164 legal on a termlab. if you could realy do that then i dont understand why you scored a weak number on your outlaw run. you know you are alowed to put the mic on the glass in outlaw right. why dont you just prove it? you know why? your truck isnt loud enough. thats all there is to it.
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeFri Aug 10, 2012 8:55 am

I love this part taken from your website

If you have looked us up, you probably found the hate page for us. That was made by my cousin. He did bring us his car, but not with us promising better sound. He was begging for free stuff. I havent seen him for years until I open a store. As a matter of fact, the last time i saw him before he came to Wobbly Woofers was in 2010 when I tried to open a different store. He popped out of the wood works looking for free stuff. Since he is my cousin, i sold him equipment at cost and gave free labor. then he's back. We sold him speakers, and an amp and installed it all. He was happy

http://wobblywooferscarstereo.com/

How did you sell your cousin at cost if you didn't have vendor accounts setup for your business attempt. That one fact makes you pro.
How about this stop fornicating with me because I've done nothing to you. Call usaci headquarters protest its their game I only played in it. And quit being a pussy and call me you've got my #

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dbdaddy wrote:
why dont you just shut me up by streetbeating a 164 legal on a termlab. if you could realy do that then i dont understand why you scored a weak number on your outlaw run. you know you are alowed to put the mic on the glass in outlaw right. why dont you just prove it? you know why? your truck isnt loud enough. thats all there is to it.

you know all this time i thought that record was a misprint,kenny you know dam well your truck cant do that number.there is no way in hell i would keep my name by such bu.l.lshit.
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TAMU wrote:
dbdaddy wrote:
why dont you just shut me up by streetbeating a 164 legal on a termlab. if you could realy do that then i dont understand why you scored a weak number on your outlaw run. you know you are alowed to put the mic on the glass in outlaw right. why dont you just prove it? you know why? your truck isnt loud enough. thats all there is to it.

you know all this time i thought that record was a misprint,kenny you know dam well your truck cant do that number.there is no way in hell i would keep my name by such bu.l.lshit.
I tried to get a rerun, even asked Darville and he said the run was valid. Finals was the last chance to run a b&k record and I was the only one running sb5 I could have cared less if it was 110. Ask around see if I'm even competing anymore. I went to scrapin and didn't even run. I had alot more fun on the beach, shopping and not listening to all the crying that somebody's coochie got hurt.
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeFri Aug 10, 2012 9:42 am

Kenny he ran sb4 before he opened wobbly woofers. He did his world record run in sb4 like 8 months Before he opened wobbly woofers. Is that hard for u to understand
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If need more info i think jenissa will back him up since we go to her every show.
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On a side note.. this is why ive always thought records should be reset every year. Or resets at finals. I understand where kenny is coming from. He just said its usacis game he just played in it. Which means if a certified usaci judge and usaci officials are dumb enough to do his score on a calculators then he will take it. But im confused why yall saw some BS go down right in front of you but didn't get it handled at finals? Im sure kenny would have ran again had they let him . I wanted to back my outlaw record but they said one run only.. so uh.. yessir i played along.
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i told them they were fornicating up using the b&k to do his then i told them it was a Cow poopy number when kenny did it

they didnt wanna hear it, and proceeded
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Jake Jesty wrote:
Kenny he ran sb4 before he opened wobbly woofers. He did his world record run in sb4 like 8 months Before he opened wobbly woofers. Is that hard for u to understand
Do you not understand he opened wholesale trade accounts while trying to start his first business and since he sold equipment to his cousin at cost he used those trade accounts to conduct business. And how would a judge verify that, you guys using gps tracking and vendor references now in Texas or what.
Really I want to drop this, but y'all keep on I don't bash on people why do y'all? Just be happy in the fact that we in these bad times can even afford to bring home the $10 plastic for the thousands we spend.
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memphis_yota wrote:
TAMU wrote:
dbdaddy wrote:
why dont you just shut me up by streetbeating a 164 legal on a termlab. if you could realy do that then i dont understand why you scored a weak number on your outlaw run. you know you are alowed to put the mic on the glass in outlaw right. why dont you just prove it? you know why? your truck isnt loud enough. thats all there is to it.

you know all this time i thought that record was a misprint,kenny you know dam well your truck cant do that number.there is no way in hell i would keep my name by such bu.l.lshit.
I tried to get a rerun, even asked Darville and he said the run was valid. Finals was the last chance to run a b&k record and I was the only one running sb5 I could have cared less if it was 110. Ask around see if I'm even competing anymore. I went to scrapin and didn't even run. I had alot more fun on the beach, shopping and not listening to all the crying that somebody's coochie got hurt.

tried to get a rerun huh? then accepted the number anyway? onetime at austin heatwave, shane tried to give me a 158 sb score when i blew a woofer and scored a zero. i told him hell no. you should have done the same.

i would stay out of the lanes too if i knew i couldnt get close to my own record. leave out on a high note. untill you prove that you can sb mid 60's i will consider you a liar for accepting that score.
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Alan wrote:
On a side note.. this is why ive always thought records should be reset every year. Or resets at finals. I understand where kenny is coming from. He just said its usacis game he just played in it. Which means if a certified usaci judge and usaci officials are dumb enough to do his score on a calculators then he will take it. But im confused why yall saw some BS go down right in front of you but didn't get it handled at finals? Im sure kenny would have ran again had they let him . I wanted to back my outlaw record but they said one run only.. so uh.. yessir i played along.
You are 100% correct. Actually I had to run twice. On the first run the score was high as well.
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dbdaddy wrote:
memphis_yota wrote:
TAMU wrote:
dbdaddy wrote:
why dont you just shut me up by streetbeating a 164 legal on a termlab. if you could realy do that then i dont understand why you scored a weak number on your outlaw run. you know you are alowed to put the mic on the glass in outlaw right. why dont you just prove it? you know why? your truck isnt loud enough. thats all there is to it.

you know all this time i thought that record was a misprint,kenny you know dam well your truck cant do that number.there is no way in hell i would keep my name by such bu.l.lshit.
I tried to get a rerun, even asked Darville and he said the run was valid. Finals was the last chance to run a b&k record and I was the only one running sb5 I could have cared less if it was 110. Ask around see if I'm even competing anymore. I went to scrapin and didn't even run. I had alot more fun on the beach, shopping and not listening to all the crying that somebody's coochie got hurt.

tried to get a rerun huh? then accepted the number anyway? onetime at austin heatwave, shane tried to give me a 158 sb score when i blew a woofer and scored a zero. i told him hell no. you should have done the same.

i would stay out of the lanes too if i knew i couldnt get close to my own record. leave out on a high note. untill you prove that you can sb mid 60's i will consider you a liar for accepting that score.

I'm a liar? I didn't make that score up, I didn't run the meter. I followed the process that usaci dictated. Once again it's usaci game we only play it. You don't like the results \"Female dog\" at them. I paid my money to have them document an event that I attended.

Oh and until you can time travel and rescind what you have posted here and on the net you are a cheat.
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now you are saying you ran twice? what a joke. you already said that you wanted to and they wouldnt let you. which one is it?

trying to open a store and actually opening one are two different things bro. by your logic, me building boxes in my garage puts me in sb5. what about team this and team that? dc audio will hand equipment to anyone who claims to compete. they get better prices that cost. your barking up the wrong tree with that. i payed over 2400 dollars for those three woofers i hit the record with.

you can ask anyone on this forum. i have been deemed a crybaby because i hate cheaters.

anyone wanna get my back? do i cheat? ever? hell, we even run mod in the minivan because his box is .2 inches over the window line with the new baffle. i had a team member ask to borrow my amp to run sb4. i wouldnt allow it unless he ran sb5. team wobbly woofers has one rule. that rule is follow the rules. i take pride in the fact that we are as legit as it gets.

and yes you are a liar because you accepted the score that you know in your heart was inaccurate.

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Yes two runs the first Darville said do it again. To lie would be your example of wanting to give you a score that the meter didnt read and you accepted that.
you started to open a business you leased a building , you gave the business a name, and you obviously opened wholesale accounts since you sold your cousin stuff at cost and did the install for free. You had said business long enough for the landlord to kick you out because of the excessive noise. 1 day, week, or month you opened a shop. To be honest the building boxes in your garage is a tough call if it's for profit I guess you would be considered pro. Not to sure on that.
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you dont need vendors to by kicker off of harwin street. i was tyring to start a store that never happened. didnt even have a tax id back then. never had a customer and never sold a single thing to anyone. thats not pro man.

so with your 16 12's only streetbeating a 156, i have a stock setup with only 4 woofers and 2 amps streetbeating 153. i would be getting out of the game too if i were you.
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dbdaddy wrote:
memphis_yota wrote:
TAMU wrote:
dbdaddy wrote:
why dont you just shut me up by streetbeating a 164 legal on a termlab. if you could realy do that then i dont understand why you scored a weak number on your outlaw run. you know you are alowed to put the mic on the glass in outlaw right. why dont you just prove it? you know why? your truck isnt loud enough. thats all there is to it.

you know all this time i thought that record was a misprint,kenny you know dam well your truck cant do that number.there is no way in hell i would keep my name by such bu.l.lshit.
I tried to get a rerun, even asked Darville and he said the run was valid. Finals was the last chance to run a b&k record and I was the only one running sb5 I could have cared less if it was 110. Ask around see if I'm even competing anymore. I went to scrapin and didn't even run. I had alot more fun on the beach, shopping and not listening to all the crying that somebody's coochie got hurt.

memphis_yota wrote:
Yes two runs the first Darville said do it again. To lie would be your example of wanting to give you a score that the meter didnt read and you accepted that.
you started to open a business you leased a building , you gave the business a name, and you obviously opened wholesale accounts since you sold your cousin stuff at cost and did the install for free. You had said business long enough for the landlord to kick you out because of the excessive noise. 1 day, week, or month you opened a shop. To be honest the building boxes in your garage is a tough call if it's for profit I guess you would be considered pro. Not to sure on that.

was it one run or two? looks like you are the one that needs a time machine.

plus, which was lowest because thats what counts for world records. so now you say that you hit even higher on the first run? cmon man.
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you dont need vendors to by kicker off of harwin street. i was tyring to start a store that never happened. didnt even have a tax id back then. never had a customer and never sold a single thing to anyone. thats not pro man.

so with your 16 12's only streetbeating a 156, i have a stock setup with only 4 woofers and 2 amps streetbeating 153. i would be getting out of the game too if i were you.
I built for and took home my 1st place world finals trophy last year, where's yours oops you took 3rd I think. Oh yeah 1 built for sb4 4 or 5 years ago and took 1st. Why don't you quit playing keyboard commando and stfu.
Look I'm glad to see you open your own shop nice to see someone doing what they enjoy. I didn't ask to be brought into this discussion it was you and your bs about a b&k record and you know who you are. Wtf does a b&k have to do with remote finals, there's only one that usaci uses.
Continue the good builds you'll get your first place one day, and if you don't I'll send ya one. They don't have names on them.
Oh and Darville didn't even count the first run. Something happened I can't remember what.
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Oh and it's 18-12's and my sb5 run was only a way to get my db level for street q. I do remember being told that it had great staging, rear fill was impressive considering no mids or highs were in the back and the system had a great overall sound. If you want to compete class for class let's do it. Bet you get your ass handed to you.
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the meter fell thats why it wasnt counted
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memphis_yota wrote:
Oh and it's 18-12's and my sb5 run was only a way to get my db level for street q. I do remember being told that it had great staging, rear fill was impressive considering no mids or highs were in the back and the system had a great overall sound. If you want to compete class for class let's do it. Bet you get your ass handed to you.

really, cause i let you make it at finals. i could have jumped into sb5 and whooped you with my 3rd place score that you cant touch. 56 is a weak number to be so proud of. i limped in there with equipment problems and smashed on you
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dbdaddy wrote:
memphis_yota wrote:
Oh and it's 18-12's and my sb5 run was only a way to get my db level for street q. I do remember being told that it had great staging, rear fill was impressive considering no mids or highs were in the back and the system had a great overall sound. If you want to compete class for class let's do it. Bet you get your ass handed to you.

really, cause i let you make it at finals. i could have jumped into sb5 and whooped you with my 3rd place score that you cant touch. 56 is a weak number to be so proud of. i limped in there with equipment problems and smashed on you
You should have jumped and got that second place, once again I got the first place trophy where I built for. Would of, could of, should of point is you don't have that 1st at the big show now lay the fornicate off.
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I will be honest at first I thought it was a GREAT IDEA, but after thinking about it I am not sure now. I do know that it would be great to have a BIG FINALS with Ralph running Indy and me running the TX one but setting all that aside I don't want anyone b*tching about cheating or someone not following the rules or any other bs that could come up. Most of you know I run a tight ship (especially with rules) just don't know it is a good decision. Alot of kinks to work out IF we even do it. As far as the rings go, I LOVE THE IDEA and threw that idea out when Ralph, Jeff and I discussed it at Heat Wave. It is a keepsake that lasts a lifetime!

That will happen with one finals. If someone wants to cheat they will...
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Aug 11, 2012 11:36 pm

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ShowB wrote:
I will be honest at first I thought it was a GREAT IDEA, but after thinking about it I am not sure now. I do know that it would be great to have a BIG FINALS with Ralph running Indy and me running the TX one but setting all that aside I don't want anyone b*tching about cheating or someone not following the rules or any other bs that could come up. Most of you know I run a tight ship (especially with rules) just don't know it is a good decision. Alot of kinks to work out IF we even do it. As far as the rings go, I LOVE THE IDEA and threw that idea out when Ralph, Jeff and I discussed it at Heat Wave. It is a keepsake that lasts a lifetime!

That will happen with one finals. If someone wants to cheat they will...
its not so much cheating.. as it would be lack of care or one judge that kets stuff slide more than the other. 1 finals..1 verification judge will help that.
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 12:32 pm

I see alot of guys not certain about this. Gas is expencieve and with the cost of travel,kids, taking off of work why not at least give it a shot once. If it doesnt work so be it but we won't ever know un less we try. Ralph does alot to listen and keep playing field level. At least give him the benifit of the doubt. Who knows with two locations we might have more compeditors or should since all i hear is up north is bigger finals. Thats like argueing over taste great or less filling. Seriously....
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 12:50 pm

what about the people of the past that have said this same thing and didnt make it t finals because they couldnt afford it


do they just get Dung Pile on now with 2 locations
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 1:58 pm

No man no one likes being spit on man but if its possible to grow from this point well lets do it. This could help attendence on both ends to show support and help organization grow. Then if it goes good maybe we could do one with other countries. Think of the possibilities man. If it doesnt happen it doesnt but with technology now days its very possible. And almost seems crazy not to do it to end the north south dispute for good.
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PostSubject: Re: remote finals ?   finals - remote finals ? - Page 3 Icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 2:15 pm

Finals will be bigger this year regardless i think. With finals being in indy there is alot of guys up thatvway thats been getting points and directors from other orgs hosting usaci shows with thier shows to.
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