Question about clamped power

So heres a question -- u run classA all year, u get to finals they tell u sorry ur in the wrong class because of clamped power ur now in ClassB, now U have no points in classB, so since u have no points for ClassB are u disqualified at Finals

they still got yo money fool

what i like is 1 mans suggestion seems to be more important than all our discontent

also curious about checking clamped power, dont they use a meter on your power wire and a meter on the speaker output of the amp? If this is the case and say your amps are flushed or the amprack is designed to where none of the wires are accessible do you have to do a teardown of your amp rack so the wires are accessible?

I cant wait till xmas

accesable and readable to ensure your not pulling a fast one

So is this really gonna happen ?

The clamped makes no sense, it takes away the advantage people get by putting in time and finding out what makes their particular amps work the best.

If you want a level playing field just have speaker wires hanging out when you pull up to the lanes and hook up to usaci's generator.

If you arent happy with what someone is doing put up the money to protest it and prove them illegal, its been that way for years and no reason to complicate shows more than they already are.

For $150 anyone can purchase the clamp and power meter and test their system.

USACI could also make the meters avaialble at all local shows for you to clamp there if you just want to know waht power you are doing without spending the $150. With what most competitors spend on their system the cost of the meters is not even on radar.

WOW, you want to use cheap ass clamps, be prepared for people to clamp 5,000 watts one time and 10,000 watts the next time and score be the same if you use crap that cheap

the only way i see clamped power working is to not convert back to the 4 ohm rating, this would get rid of the need to do all kinds of unecessary math when someone is doing 2769 watts @ 1.13 ohm, not very many people can easily figure out what that equates to in a 4 ohm rating. if directors can't figure out something like say trunk class actually being a sanctioned usaci class how can we expect them to get the math right everytime or even know how to get the correct 4 ohm rating from the problem above

the easiest way, and not what i want to do, but the easiest thing would be to make us have clamped power classes but change them to line up with what we already have, except at 1 ohm. stock 0-2400, 2401- 7200, etc etc, mod 0-4000, 4001-8000 etc etc. over course this would make us similar to other orgs

not what i want to do, of course doing this above, well its gets us away from what most of us like doing, pushing are amplifiers to the very limit to get the most we can out of them, instead you would have people dialing in a 4k amp to get 2.4 k ot of it, maybe at 1.5 ohm or whatever, again thats already another org,

that org is fine and i have competed there, but lets keep usaci unique, while there are things about the other org think of it like this, for us to say well you can have an amp capable of 4k but just turn it down so it put no strain on the amp or doesn't challenge us to get the most out of it is kinda like telling nascar, ok you can have a V-8, but you must shut down 4 of the cylinders, and you cant exceed 3,500 rpm's, not very fun

not what i want to go to, i want to be able to push my system to its very limits

and another thing, no one has yet to comment on how we would determine proper 4 ohm ratings on people running 18v yet, is there even a way?

USACI wrote:

For $150 anyone can purchase the clamp and power meter and test their system.

USACI could also make the meters avaialble at all local shows for you to clamp there if you just want to know waht power you are doing without spending the $150. With what most competitors spend on their system the cost of the meters is not even on radar.

Does that mean clamp will be in the new rules? Like to know now before I continue with my build. I don't want to wait till end of yr.

Navi wrote:

The clamped makes no sense, it takes away the advantage people get by putting in time and finding out what makes their particular amps work the best.

If you want a level playing field just have speaker wires hanging out when you pull up to the lanes and hook up to usaci's generator.

If you arent happy with what someone is doing put up the money to protest it and prove them illegal, its been that way for years and no reason to complicate shows more than they already are.

What a wise man..

What meters do you plan to use Ralph if this rule is implemented?

[i]For $150 anyone can purchase the clamp and power meter and test their system.

USACI could also make the meters avaialble at all local shows for you to clamp there if you just want to know waht power you are doing without spending the $150. With what most competitors spend on their system the cost of the meters is not even on radar.[/is


sounds like tis decided to me with this comment

y should we have to run any differant at regionals and finals than we do at any other shows this is pointless to me

I gotta hose clamp

whats wrong with keeping things safe?if you have 2kw and i have 2kws, whats the problem? lets see who the better builder is is all im sayin, not who has the deepest pockets and it opens up the field for manufacturers that dont support usaci because you cant run their equipment against equal equipment because of a rating that in most cases are bs to start with. its just to police the power used. and the reference to nascar is a good reference because if you check their rules, they ARE RESTRICTED TO WHAT THE CAN AND CANT RUN IN AND ON THEIR CARS.

how do you classify a amp that is being used at 18v?
can an amp run at any ohm load with 18v? these are all the questions i had when chad pose the question on how do we classify the amps that are using 18v?
so if a 3000w amp power is doubled at 1.13 ohm load to say 6000watts at 1.13 ohms.
wouldn't that same amp whose power at 4 ohms is 600w be doubled to 1200 watts at 4 ohms thus putting the competitor in mod 2000-4000 if he/she is running that said amp at 18v's?
the 4ohm rating will work, its should classified though, if your amp does 500w at 4 an your running 18v thats a rating of 1000w at 4 ohms so that competitor is in mod 1-2.
hope this makes since to some body other than myself, but i don't run this class at all i am just voicing what i think should be in place.
in the end ralph an the guys will do whats right but i hope they are taking in what we are saying on the situation.

the only people are crying are the ones that are probly doing something wrong. i say just clamp and things will be equal for everyone.

Basically you can run any amp in any class. If you have a big amp you have to turn your amp down to get the desired output. So 12 or 16 Volts doesn't matter, imp. doesn't matter. Just get any amp to give you the set wattage. No more advantage in running 16+ volts. People start selling your 16V. LOL

so kumar you have what 40 batteries at 200 a batt lol man you outr some cash huh bro

It will go into my other 4 18" Astro. Its starting to look good there. There is going to be quite a few Drag show in LI (closer to me) shows next yr.

lol yeah im thinking some 12v batts for me

sanman wrote:

lol yeah im thinking some 12v batts for me

Keep buying more Dung Pile every yr.

charlesestes wrote:

whats wrong with keeping things safe?if you have 2kw and i have 2kws, whats the problem? lets see who the better builder is is all im sayin, not who has the deepest pockets and it opens up the field for manufacturers that dont support usaci because you cant run their equipment against equal equipment because of a rating that in most cases are bs to start with. its just to police the power used. and the reference to nascar is a good reference because if you check their rules, they ARE RESTRICTED TO WHAT THE CAN AND CANT RUN IN AND ON THEIR CARS.

Theres nothing wrong with it, its just another org not usaci. This sports been about deep pockets for many years you of all people know Im guessing you have dropped 100k+ into this sport since I have known ya. So why change it now?

Its like making usaci bass race, no sense in it. I have heard it out of your mouth several times if you cant run with the big dogs stay on the porch, now it seem like you want to change the big dogs diet to better your chances.

For that matter is it really the deep pockets that are winning? Or is it just the people who do their homework and know what gear works best.

hmmmm.. sounds like MWSPL with cheap clamp meters.. And chad is right about the cheap clamp meters.. They aren't near efficient enough..