2008 Rules

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Have the rules for 2008 been written/released/or whatever yet? If so, where can I find a copy? The website just has the 2007 rules on it right now - so am just curious.

I am trying to figure out what class I am going to build for - etc.

Mike Jaffe wrote:

I'm not so sure that we shouldn't sort of revert back to the old days. (I know, at my age, I'm an authority on old days.) What about the "Flashdance" theory? Instead of waiting for USACi to have a CD built specifically for Street Beat, let the USACi brain trust, possibly in cahoots with someone with some expertise in the music field, just select a song and everyone just goes out and buys it or borrows it from the judge.

Obviously the selection of the song would be somewhat critical, which is why I didn't suggest that competitors be a part of the song selection process. Again, back to the old days ... world records and SQ SPL was done playing Flashdance. I can't think of a reson why all Street Beat competitors can't compete, all using the same song.

Leading with my chin, I remain ...

I agree with Jaffe and Beelo. Universal track for SB with varied frequencies to truly test street bass of system. Your build must be able to handle all these frequencies to do well. Scores might drop some, but spectators will love hearing/seeing what the SB vehicles will do. If you want specific frequency then compete in Outlaw SPL and do best tone suited for your vehicle.

i think it needs to be like bruce said, and it could be heard on a the radio at some time, even eminem gets air time just cleaned up

2loudcrew wrote:

I agree with Jaffe and Beelo. Universal track for SB with varied frequencies to truly test street bass of system. Your build must be able to handle all these frequencies to do well. Scores might drop some, but spectators will love hearing/seeing what the SB vehicles will do. If you want specific frequency then compete in Outlaw SPL and do best tone suited for your vehicle.

Thanks Joe. Either I wasn't explicit enough in expressing my thoughts, or the readers just misunderstood my meaning. Absolutely I favor a track/song that would include as many bass frequencies as possible, but without the looooong bass notes inserted into the music track(s). Playing 30 seconds of MUSIC would be the key! How about Mariah Carey singing the theme song from Titanic?

Hope to see you in Farmington soon.

Mike Jaffe wrote:

2loudcrew wrote:

I agree with Jaffe and Beelo. Universal track for SB with varied frequencies to truly test street bass of system. Your build must be able to handle all these frequencies to do well. Scores might drop some, but spectators will love hearing/seeing what the SB vehicles will do. If you want specific frequency then compete in Outlaw SPL and do best tone suited for your vehicle.

Thanks Joe. Either I wasn't explicit enough in expressing my thoughts, or the readers just misunderstood my meaning. Absolutely I favor a track/song that would include as many bass frequencies as possible, but without the looooong bass notes inserted into the music track(s). Playing 30 seconds of MUSIC would be the key! How about Mariah Carey singing the theme song from Titanic?

Hope to see you in Farmington soon.

I agree also, I may play a little in sb this year, I am just going to go buy a movie sound track and play that for now lol.....

Whats with the Farmington? Andrew having a show?

DMAN wrote:

Whats with the Farmington? Andrew having a show?

April 6th. I'll put it on the schedule soon.

DMAN wrote:

Mike Jaffe wrote:

2loudcrew wrote:

I agree with Jaffe and Beelo. Universal track for SB with varied frequencies to truly test street bass of system. Your build must be able to handle all these frequencies to do well. Scores might drop some, but spectators will love hearing/seeing what the SB vehicles will do. If you want specific frequency then compete in Outlaw SPL and do best tone suited for your vehicle.

Thanks Joe. Either I wasn't explicit enough in expressing my thoughts, or the readers just misunderstood my meaning. Absolutely I favor a track/song that would include as many bass frequencies as possible, but without the looooong bass notes inserted into the music track(s). Playing 30 seconds of MUSIC would be the key! How about Mariah Carey singing the theme song from Titanic?

Hope to see you in Farmington soon.

I agree also, I may play a little in sb this year, I am just going to go buy a movie sound track and play that for now lol.....

Whats with the Farmington? Andrew having a show?

Just got off the phone with Andrew. He is having USACI Show on Sunday, April 6th. Jaffe will be the running SB & SPL competition. Gabe Sanchez is scheduled to be there as well. Let everyone know about it so we can get a good turnout. I've been to Andrew's shop for non-sanctioned event and there was a good number of competitors and spectators. I will be there for sure.

2loudcrew wrote:

DMAN wrote:

Mike Jaffe wrote:

2loudcrew wrote:

I agree with Jaffe and Beelo. Universal track for SB with varied frequencies to truly test street bass of system. Your build must be able to handle all these frequencies to do well. Scores might drop some, but spectators will love hearing/seeing what the SB vehicles will do. If you want specific frequency then compete in Outlaw SPL and do best tone suited for your vehicle.

Thanks Joe. Either I wasn't explicit enough in expressing my thoughts, or the readers just misunderstood my meaning. Absolutely I favor a track/song that would include as many bass frequencies as possible, but without the looooong bass notes inserted into the music track(s). Playing 30 seconds of MUSIC would be the key! How about Mariah Carey singing the theme song from Titanic?

Hope to see you in Farmington soon.

I agree also, I may play a little in sb this year, I am just going to go buy a movie sound track and play that for now lol.....

Whats with the Farmington? Andrew having a show?

Just got off the phone with Andrew. He is having USACI Show on Sunday, April 6th. Jaffe will be the running SB & SPL competition. Gabe Sanchez is scheduled to be there as well. Let everyone know about it so we can get a good turnout. I've been to Andrew's shop for non-sanctioned event and there was a good number of competitors and spectators. I will be there for sure.

I will for sure get the word out here, I know of 3 cometitors that will be following me down as of right now, maybe a few more by then....

I'm all for having a music CD. The only thing is that I feel the bass lines need to be very constant*, unless you incorporate a double measurement with the regular sensor, and the Termlab RTA mic that measures the entire spectrum of sound. That might make things even more interesting if that could happen. HMMMM........



*my definition of constant would be continuous bass notes that vary in frequency from 30-80hz. No more of this 1 note stuff.

Dj Magic Mike 3 Min Bass Drop,Loud as Hell and So Loud it Hertz should be Banned from SB

Music is an art form consisting of sound and silence. Elements of sound in music are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, structure, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture.
The creation, performance, significance, and even the definition of music vary according to culture and social context. Music ranges from strictly organized compositions (and their recreation in performance), through improvisational music to aleatoric forms. Music can be divided into genres and sub-genres, although the dividing lines and relationships between music genres are often subtle, sometimes open to individual interpretation, and occasionally controversial. Within "the arts", music can be classified as a performing art, a fine art, or an auditory art form.
Music may also involve generative forms in time through the construction of patterns and combinations of natural stimuli, principally sound. Music may be used for artistic or aesthetic, communicative, entertainment, ceremonial or religious purposes, and by many composers purely as an academic instrument for study.

so what we used in the past isn't music?

TeamSpead-Kenny wrote:

Dj Magic Mike,Loud as Hell and So Loud it Hertz should be Banned from SB

I don't agree with saying DJ Magic Mike should be banned. He has plenty of legit songs. Just ban the 3 min bass drop song (which is probably what you meant).

dj majik mike has alot of good songs i use to listen to back in 1995 lol thqats a long time ago wow but bass bowl had alot of good tunes on it

Moparbass28 wrote:

I am sure a CD would be made that had more then one track with different freq for each track. This would be the best for all types of vehicles and systems.

I don't think one track would work for all to use, due to then it would come down to everyone having the same type of vehicle after that vehicle is found for the freq of the single track.

if we go the way it looks like it's going to then it won't matter what freq the vehicle plays best, because you will only be playing that freq part of the time during your run. The way everyone wants to see it done will be a spl vehicle that is only capable of doing 140's maybe. Just my two cents.

There are ways and designs to achieve a broad range of frequencies in a vehicle. Some vehicles will benifit more then others in this yes, but it can be done. I am sure you will still see those higher numbers in the classes once everyone finds there sweet spots again.

SBJL wrote:

if we go the way it looks like it's going to then it won't matter what freq the vehicle plays best, because you will only be playing that freq part of the time during your run. The way everyone wants to see it done will be a spl vehicle that is only capable of doing 140's maybe. Just my two cents.

Is a number in the 40's a bad thing? Regardless of 30's 40's 50's or 60's, it will tell who has the loudest OVERALL bass at the show. The crowd will love it. The general public at a show loves to hear a vehicle rattling and see rust and body parts falling off. Stretch this out for 30 seconds and they will be entranced. Burping one note makes for a big number but it isn't that exciting to spectators. To truly grow this sport it has to be fun to watch for everyone. To a spectator SQ is a car show where every car has a stereo (that generally doesn't get loud) and SPL is loud cars that go brrrrrp. Street Beat can more accurately reflect a system that our customers want.

Many of my guys have told me that they miss being able to beat their systems. They love the competition but miss what got them excited about cat audio in the first place, driving around with loud music.

We know the intent of street beat, so let's have a USAC CD that ensures that intent. I don't think that it will drive anyone away, rather make the sport more interesting to newcomers and more exciting to spectators.

SBJL wrote:

The way everyone wants to see it done will be a spl vehicle that is only capable of doing 140's maybe. Just my two cents.

I know of serveral vehicles in my area that can play music well over 150s and close to Mid 50s so I dont think It would be a porblem for some people to do the same.

The exploder would do over 156 on a couple different lil john songs back in 06