Stock 0-600

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WOW! Some awesome numbers out there. WR of 153.5 on B&K off the dash. Don't know how some people do that poop when others are getting 153.5 and 154.9 in the kick!

i am with you zach...this post was about what was done this year...not last...much respect to the guys that did big numbers in the ;past.....but he was talkin bout what was done this year...and people are talking.. like people in these classes are not good enough or something....

i just want to say...everyone in these classes are crazy loud...and are pushing the levels of these low classes...i am very proud to go up against to yall...

hell i wish i could compete against you guys, but with a low 150, theres no competition, you guys are crazy loud.

zacdavis wrote:

You guys are f'ing retarded.
Your saying Ryan's record is bull? and it would've been something if he had used XS100's instead?, and in the next posts y'all talk about how the XS's are lopuder than the M1's anyways.
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!????!!!!! Does that make any sense at all, no, it doesnt, if the XS100's are stronger than M1's than why are you making this such a big deal? Maybe someone should protest the XS's and then a whole nother group a people can sit around and bash anyone who previously used them in the past.

GIVE US A BREAK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a new year, new classes, new amps out, and new blood. Lets not dwell in the past.

I'm saying Ryans record is total bull...It was done with two DD M1a's that Ralph said I couldn't use...What made Ryan so special he could run two in 0-300 and set the record ...and Ralph ok'd it for him at finals...but I'm told by Ralph I can not use the same two amps that set the record...because they are rated 400 or 450 each...Ryan did it in 0-300 ...I don't know where you were taugh math but either way 400 + 400 is 800 or 450 + 450 is 900 either or is a long ways from 300 ...I just call a spade a spade when I see it....And I know USACi has knocked records when amps changed ratings for my friend Ritchie Rich had his two records knocked with atomics when they were re rated...so yes I call it BULL BULL BULL....

zacdavis wrote:

You guys are f'ing retarded.
Your saying Ryan's record is bull? and it would've been something if he had used XS100's instead?, and in the next posts y'all talk about how the XS's are lopuder than the M1's anyways.
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!????!!!!! Does that make any sense at all, no, it doesnt, if the XS100's are stronger than M1's than why are you making this such a big deal? Maybe someone should protest the XS's and then a whole nother group a people can sit around and bash anyone who previously used them in the past.

GIVE US A BREAK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a new year, new classes, new amps out, and new blood. Lets not dwell in the past.

xs 100's and m1 are two totally differant amps, the xs is a stereo amp, the dd, a mono amp, i know it shouldnt matter,, but remember we go by the 4 ohm STEREO rating, so therefore stereo amps USED to have an advantage when we had lower power classes. so protest it and i'll bet it passes, but i dont see anyone protesting it these days since the lowest class is 0-600, but im sure back in the day its possible someone protested the hcca 275's ort the kicker xs amps, anyone know?

I've done 156+'s on two M1's strapped...at 1/4 ohm...using 4 Dual 2 10's ....on two Kicker XS 100's same box but with dual 1.5's so running the Kickers at .35 mono I only did 154's this was the same Electrical...So I honestly believe the M1's are stronger strapped...at low ohm loads....I would've never had any complaints at all if I could've ran my two M1's just like Ryan to shoot for the record...I'm not saying i could've beat it... I would love to understands USACi reasoning in why ralph said it was OK for Ryan to run these at finals and set a record with them...but woudn't allow anyone else to do this....So his 0-300 record is completlybogus, fake, not real, a joke, a crock, fallecy, misconception, incorrect, sham, heresy, delusive or any other word you might want to call it....

another real advantage to the M1's is their efficency...the two only pull the current of about a single Kicker Xs100 so power wise they may be close actually once dropped...but in stock class when your limited to only one battery under the hood and were limited to a single 1 farad cap...that does make a really big difference....

Ryan was allowed to because he came on the forums and told everyone they were dumbasses for thinking the M1 was not legit. Something about everyone needed to quit whining and accept that 2 were allowed in 0-300 and to work on their installs and not "Female dog" about his amps.

At least he was right about them being legit

I'd like to see the Bogus record pulled and put Bruce or whoever had the previous record back up...The same thing USACi did on Ritchie Rich...when they pulled his record because of the Atomic amps they put the previous person...back...( SO I KNOW USACi CAN DO THIS) Then I'd believe things were fair and I'd have no more beef about USACi or Ryans Bogus 0-300 Record

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First, I disagree, my opinion is that the XS's are stronger amps than the M1's, that opinion has been backed up by last years world champion who had access to both and used the XS's, stating in this thread even that they in fact were stronger amps....never the less.............

Any one of us had the chance to beat Ryans record using M1's when he set it. In other words the amps were legal when he set it right? YES THEY WERE, that means you or me or dick trickle could've used them as well, so how does that make his record bogus?

Second, Ritchie's Atomics?, no no no, those amps werent protested and re-rated, nope, that was an entirely different situation all together...and if i remember correctly the reasoning behind that whole ordeal was the fact that they were FAKE amps. Wrong circuit boards in them, like 800.1's or something like that.

Comparing that situation with Ryan would be like saying Ryan used M1's that had Z1 circuit boards in them.


Give us a break, why does this even matter anyways, We dont even have a 0-300 class anymore, whats the big deal?

You wanna be a bigshot?, then go out and set a record in 0-600 this year with an M3 before they get re-rated then it'll be your turn next year to defend yourself to all the sore LOSERS by saying "hey you had your chance to beat me but you didnt!!!"
See what i'm sayin or are your comprehension skills not advanced enough to figure out this type of reasoning?

Louisianna_CRX,
I dont know if we've ever met but dude, for you to call out Ryan like that and to say his record is bogus, fake, not real, a joke, a crock, fallecy, misconception, incorrect, and a sham...well, in my opinion that's some of the worst sportsmanship I've ever seen.
Ryan and Team Sound Mekanix are top notch builders and to degrade their accolades like that?, geeze...it sounds to me like theres a hint of jealousy hidden in your remarks but whom am I to judge.

Get your Gluteus Maximus out there and beat up on the competitors this year with the equipment thats available to everybody thats LEGAL right now, thats what Ryan did, and thats my whole point i guess.

If he'd set the record in 301-900 where it should be there would've been no problems or complaints out of me or others....If the amps had stayed at 150 watts each there would've been no complaints or problems....but Ralph knows what amps were used...because it was brought up about these by Bruce and others at finals...Just like he knew Ritchie used the Atomic for his records which were switched back to the previous records ...And I guess you never looked at an Atomic 800.1 and an Atomic 1500.1 board...yes they use the same board and the stampings are the same...but they use different parts on the board...The 800 does close to 800 watts at one ohm...It was tested in Performance Auto & Sound magazine at only about 800 watts at 1ohm...I've never seen the test on a 1500.1 but I'm sure they do close to 1500 watts at 1 ohm as stated...Just because an amp uses the same board doesn't mean it is the same amplifier and same parts....So I guess you learned something new .....All I'd like to see again is what is fair is fair If Ritchie loss his records because of Amplifier changes...Ryan should loose his record because of Amplifier changes...I could really care less what amplifiers anyone uses...or there power ratings...as long as it is fair and someone is giving the same oppurtunity to run the same thing.....I just like fair playing fields...If they change the Amplifier power classes the records should change back as they did to Ritchie...This should be done to Ryan as well...Ralph was even at the show Ryan used these amps at...and it was brought up to Ralph about these amps so he is 100% aware and knows himself that the record is bogus....And anyone that thinks Ryans record set with two DD M1's is legit...in 0-300 is an fricken IDIOT in my thoughts....

Honestly Zac, that part in your statement about there not being anymore 0-300 class is what I was about to say.LOL

That class no longer exsist, why even both with it ? Just asking.

I don't waste my time in the power classes anymore because of crazy re rating game of Amplifiers....Plus I'd rather have a system I can play and enjoy listening to music on instead of something that makes a 3 sec burp.....but that is just me...I know a lot of guys like to make things louder and louder on a meter...and that is fine...But I like music...something loud something low...something you can feel As anyone that knows me at shows...I'll always welcome anyone to sit in my vehicle while I demo it and experience good sound first hand...after I run...of course ....

Well, i guess we're just not going to see this eye to eye so how about we agree to disagree.

As for the Atomic's, that is something that goes beyond either of our opinions. The fact is the amps used, and this is no way a diss on Ritchie because he had no knowledge of this, but anyways the fact is Ralph looked these amps over and determained that they were in fact NOT the amp they were labeled as by comparison.
Ralph has extensive knowledge of the internals of an amp and how they work. And no, its nothing new to me either, manufacturers have been using same boards for various models for years.
Again, the difference is, the determined made was this had not the case with the Atomics.
Instead, they were in fact, the larger more powerful higher rated amplifier in a chassis labeled as a different less powerful lower rated model.

My god, this issue was went over like three years ago and somehow it still gets brought up......................................


ITS 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I <3 zac

There is one very easy and simple fix...If USACi does to one for something they should do it to the other...Not one and not the other...If USACi takes away the record because of amp changes like they did too Ritchie...Well they should do the same to Ryan and the discussion would never be brought up again...Pretty simple pretty fair ...but no I'll never see eye to eye when I wasn't allowed to use the same thing as another competitor to attempt a record...If it wasn't allowed for me then its not a legit record....It takes an ignorant SOB to think that is fair competition...word

HOLY SH!T YOUR RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!

DUDE!, the Atomic amps were FAKES, they had different components in them, GET IT?, no I doubt you did, I'll, repeat it again...

DUDE!, the Atomic amps were FAKES, they had different components in them, GET IT?, no I doubt you did, I'll, repeat it again...

DUDE!, the Atomic amps were FAKES, they had different components in them, GET IT?, no I doubt you did, I'll, repeat it again...

DUDE!, the Atomic amps were FAKES, they had different components in them, GET IT?, no I doubt you did, I'll, repeat it again...

DUDE!, the Atomic amps were FAKES, they had different components in them, GET IT?, no I doubt you did, I'll, repeat it again...

DUDE!, the Atomic amps were FAKES, they had different components in them, GET IT?, no I doubt you did, I'll, repeat it again...

..........my lord

hey Loren, post one of those dead horse pics gettin beat down.

Not that I want to have a dog in this fight. I do feel a little responsible, for referring to the amps in question.

I think I will have to disagree with Zac. An amp that is deemed illegal in production and an amp this is rerated based on power output, could both be classified together. Neither amp met the criteria to be legal in it's designated class. One amp had the wrong board (amp model). The other amp had the wrong board (built stronger that 150@4 ohm). Based on that, a greater wrong or a lesser wrong is still wrong.

This is certainly my opinion. And just like butt holes, everybody has one.

if you think about it the record that ryan set wasnt all that loud he did it when the b&k was a db or so louder than the termlab. the b&k at finals last year was .7-.8 down form the termlab. My brother tryed for the record and played a 152.7 on the b&k after i watched him play a 153.5 4-5 times in a row on the termlab. so i would say the3 xs100's do really close power too the m1's.

you were only allowed 2 Kicker XS100's in 0-300...but your right 3 would be closer to two M1's...and i think Ryan's score was really impressive BTW

i meany 2..lol

there is a difference between the m1 and the atomics. the atomics were all but banned from usaci. Not rerated just unlimited no matter what model. the m1 was just properly rated.

How and why did my post get hijacked for some scores that were done 2 or 3 years ago? My thread title says "Stock 0-600". I have been out of USACI for 5 years. I have no clue as to what has taken place in the last 5 years. So people! If you feel you need to discuss/argue about something that doesn't pertain to the topic and in a class that no longer exists, please don't do it in this thread. Make your own thread please!

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USACI Legal SPL (Dash)
World Records
08/2007
Stock
0-600 Darren Patterson Kansas City, MO 153.5 07/2007
601-1800 Chad Stoulil Omaha, NE 156.2 08/2007
1801-3000 Bruce Ogden Kansas City, KS 155.5 07/2007
3001-up Tim Dougherty Omaha, NE 155.1 08/2007
Pro Stock
0-600 Jim Pitcher Bryan, TX 152.7 08/2007
901-1800 Jeff and Angie Sanford Ft. Riley, KS 155.9 07/2007
1801-3000 Chris Samsel Okoboji, IA 157.5 08/2007
3001-up Jacks Sisco Harlingen, TX 156.7 11/2006

Kicker Kevin wrote:

Yes those are nice numbers. But did you see the Results in 0-300 the past 2 years???

i think this statement changed...the topic....it is a very touchey subject...lol

Louisiana_CRX wrote:

Kicker Kevin wrote:

Yes those are nice numbers. But did you see the Results in 0-300 the past 2 years???

i think this statement changed...the topic....it is a very touchey subject...lol

Sorry bro. I didn't till someone brought it up. I would just like to keep it on topic.

BTW. Almost done with my first attempt at a stock box and setup for 0-600. I also got a new Term-lab in last week. When I'm done I will start a new thread with some updates on what it's doing. This thread (for the most part) is waisted/dead.

Update. I took Sunday off from the build to watch the Cowboys. Now I wish I had spent the time on my system.

LOL....I know what you mean

x3

Well! I worked on the setup last night and while I was using a razorblade to strip wires, I cut myself bad and drove myself to the emergency room where I got 2 stiches in my left middle finger. (There goes $1155.00 cash! Arggg!) I cute a nerve in that finger also. It will be ok and it doesn't hurt at all. I love pain killers! lol

Anyways. Got the amp in the car now, just working on getting the box in when I have time.