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ingramk03 Newbie
Number of posts : 5 Age : 49 Location : Auburn, AL Registration date : 2011-06-29
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:29 am | |
| All I did was type that amp in yahoo and most the forums or places that sell that amp were saying it does 5000 @ 1 not .5, and so on and so forth, I did not go to the manufacturer's site before I posted my question last nite....but thanks for the link.....I stand corrected. | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:36 am | |
| That's the older Amp im sure. Those is a 100% different amp. . Cause atomics website has only been updated for a couple mnths | |
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ingramk03 Newbie
Number of posts : 5 Age : 49 Location : Auburn, AL Registration date : 2011-06-29
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:38 am | |
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Matt_Sibley Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 957 Age : 38 Location : Baton Rouge, LA Registration date : 2007-06-25
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:14 pm | |
| - Blue_C1500 wrote:
- Alan wrote:
- Nvm..this could be dumber than a jeff argument
Yeah, Alan, just let it go. Everyone knows it's the competitor's responsibility to enter the correct class not the event director's. You can't win that fight. Not sure who you are, but the thing Alan and I were discussing was the fact that I questioned amps in a car. I don't know how that is interpreted as letting the competitor pick whatever class they want. I looked at the vehicle, had a question, got it answered, and proceeded. The other competitor chose to run a higher power class which is allowed within the rules. The only class modification I had to do which was my fault was Bret Arceneaux in Mod 1-2 and 2-4. I corrected the problem before event results were turned over for trophy presentation. You try to run over 100 cars in 100+ degree heat and remember what class everyone was in. This is why I reviewed the results before turning them in. I always have one or two that complain about something, congratulations on making it into that group. I believe the majority of USACi is happy with my judging and knows I am fair and respectful. | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:12 pm | |
| I didn't see a complaint. ? | |
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Blue_C1500 Novice Contributor
Number of posts : 112 Age : 50 Location : Louisiana Registration date : 2010-03-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:15 pm | |
| - Matt_Sibley wrote:
- Blue_C1500 wrote:
- Alan wrote:
- Nvm..this could be dumber than a jeff argument
Yeah, Alan, just let it go. Everyone knows it's the competitor's responsibility to enter the correct class not the event director's. You can't win that fight. Not sure who you are, but the thing Alan and I were discussing was the fact that I questioned amps in a car. I don't know how that is interpreted as letting the competitor pick whatever class they want. I looked at the vehicle, had a question, got it answered, and proceeded.
The other competitor chose to run a higher power class which is allowed within the rules.
The only class modification I had to do which was my fault was Bret Arceneaux in Mod 1-2 and 2-4. I corrected the problem before event results were turned over for trophy presentation. You try to run over 100 cars in 100+ degree heat and remember what class everyone was in. This is why I reviewed the results before turning them in.
I always have one or two that complain about something, congratulations on making it into that group. I believe the majority of USACi is happy with my judging and knows I am fair and respectful. Actually, it was Bret in Mod 2-4 and 4k+ but as far as the issue with amps goes, why didn't you check Bret's amps because they actually ARE illegal for 2-4? They are rated at 1600RMS @ 1 ohm but at 11.9V. It clearly states that they produce 2300RMS on the DD site, which seems right in line with where they would be if they were tested at 14.4V like USACi mandates. I'll post it up for you to see. I mean it sure does look peculiar to me that Bret gets to run in classes his setup won't allow not to mention multiple classes in the same division and when there's a question about another amp he's the one you consult to see if it's legal or not. That doesn't seem fair or respectful to me but what do I know I'm just a complainer, right? If you were a competitor you wouldn't put up with that type of disreguard for the rules either so I guess, in essence, you're a complainer as well. Here's the specs I said I'd post: | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:38 pm | |
| Damn. I don't wana get into drama with bret or matt. But Damn really? I never new dd had such beat around the rules ratings.. 11.9v? Is it 3000? 2300? Or 1600? And we questioned a competiters amps who the manufacture sent in on his own to be tested.. and we had since and used before siknic last year and ran at finals @the 900w rating.. ... wow .. | |
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sanman I own this joint!
Number of posts : 12087 Age : 52 Location : shelbyville Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:47 pm | |
| things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | |
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supadave Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3745 Age : 42 Location : tupelo mississippi Registration date : 2008-02-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:55 am | |
| who knows man those amps could be tested at 14 an told on the site at 11.9 for ppl to buy them. but oh well. matt i think you did a great job for a job you do basically by yourself year in an year out,
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:51 pm | |
| Matt always is good. But this situation I dunno.. | |
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Blue_C1500 Novice Contributor
Number of posts : 112 Age : 50 Location : Louisiana Registration date : 2010-03-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:54 pm | |
| - supadave wrote:
- who knows man those amps could be tested at 14 an told on the site at 11.9 for ppl to buy them. but oh well.
matt i think you did a great job for a job you do basically by yourself year in an year out,
No, DD actually says that they are rated at a low voltage. It's intentional. Bret, a DD dealer, told me about the rating voltage himself at one of the Crazy Ralph shows. Here's what I'm talking about just read the last line in their sales pitch: | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:07 pm | |
| Was anyone else made to prove their eqpt ratings? Or just henry cause "they say 5000.1 on them" its a 1 channel amp.. not 1 ohm.. | |
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sanman I own this joint!
Number of posts : 12087 Age : 52 Location : shelbyville Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:46 pm | |
| dave it doesnt matter its the published rating that counts man and this is enough | |
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Blue_C1500 Novice Contributor
Number of posts : 112 Age : 50 Location : Louisiana Registration date : 2010-03-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:26 pm | |
| - Alan wrote:
- Was anyone else made to prove their eqpt ratings? Or just henry cause "they say 5000.1 on them" its a 1 channel amp.. not 1 ohm..
Honestly, I don't know. I didn't spend a lot of time watching the "event director" but I'm sure Henry wasn't the only one to have his amps looked at. I would think that Mat would know better than to judge an amp by it's model number. Fosgate has been using a 2 ohm rating as their model number since at least 1999. I have a Punch 500 and 800 that are really a 250RMS and 400RMS at 4 ohms so the model number is no indication of what USACi uses to determine what power class you're in. It really means nothing. It's just a number. | |
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supadave Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3745 Age : 42 Location : tupelo mississippi Registration date : 2008-02-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:33 pm | |
| Yea true jeff. The m2a's may be something I wanna look into for 0-1k trunk | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:09 pm | |
| I personally don't care about the m2. There's other amps that will kill it. It only is a issue for me cause how it looks. my guy was singled out while others got to do whatever | |
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supadave Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3745 Age : 42 Location : tupelo mississippi Registration date : 2008-02-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:30 pm | |
| Lol atomic 5000. 1 let's make some calls Oh man. I knew this year scrapin was gonna be epic. | |
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twentyhurtz Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 914 Age : 38 Location : Ellisville, Ms Registration date : 2008-09-29
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:25 pm | |
| - Blue_C1500 wrote:
- Alan wrote:
- Was anyone else made to prove their eqpt ratings? Or just henry cause "they say 5000.1 on them" its a 1 channel amp.. not 1 ohm..
Honestly, I don't know. I didn't spend a lot of time watching the "event director" but I'm sure Henry wasn't the only one to have his amps looked at. I would think that Mat would know better than to judge an amp by it's model number. Fosgate has been using a 2 ohm rating as their model number since at least 1999. I have a Punch 500 and 800 that are really a 250RMS and 400RMS at 4 ohms so the model number is no indication of what USACi uses to determine what power class you're in. It really means nothing. It's just a number. Maybe i am mistaken, but hopefully your not trying to say the "2" in 800a2 is the amps rated stabillity.. | |
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Blue_C1500 Novice Contributor
Number of posts : 112 Age : 50 Location : Louisiana Registration date : 2010-03-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:53 pm | |
| - twentyhurtz wrote:
- Blue_C1500 wrote:
- Alan wrote:
- Was anyone else made to prove their eqpt ratings? Or just henry cause "they say 5000.1 on them" its a 1 channel amp.. not 1 ohm..
Honestly, I don't know. I didn't spend a lot of time watching the "event director" but I'm sure Henry wasn't the only one to have his amps looked at. I would think that Mat would know better than to judge an amp by it's model number. Fosgate has been using a 2 ohm rating as their model number since at least 1999. I have a Punch 500 and 800 that are really a 250RMS and 400RMS at 4 ohms so the model number is no indication of what USACi uses to determine what power class you're in. It really means nothing. It's just a number. Maybe i am mistaken, but hopefully your not trying to say the "2" in 800a2 is the amps rated stabillity.. The "2" stands for 2 channel. It is 200 X 2 at 4 ohms, 400 X 2 at 2 ohms, and 800 X 1 at 4 ohms but according to the manual it is stable to 2 ohms stereo. It's the "800" that I'm saying would be the issue. If you looked at the model number it would look like an 800 watt amp but it is a 400 watt amp using USACi's rating system. ¿Comprende? | |
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twentyhurtz Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 914 Age : 38 Location : Ellisville, Ms Registration date : 2008-09-29
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:04 am | |
| right i completely understand the amps rating system, i've owned many of the a2 series of amps, i thought you were trying to say that fosgate has been using the ohm rating as a part of the model number, i misread, my bad. | |
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2003f150 Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 2610 Age : 41 Location : Biloxi,MS Registration date : 2007-09-12
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:35 am | |
| Keep this in mind the dd m3a also says 3000 on the dd site and is a 0-600 watt amp.....the m2a does no where near the power of a m3a. M2a @ most would be 500 watts @ 4 ohm. Bottom line is you said you werent coming so I ran 2000-4000. You and I both know I didnt try to start anything with you. I AM THE ONE THAT TOLD MATT THE ATOMICS WERE 900 WATT AMPS NOW....TRYING TO HELP OUT PEOPLE NOT EVEN ON MY TEAM BUT YET YALL GONNA \"Female dog\" ABOUT ME? Come on now you all know I don't try to intentionally break rules. I asked Ralph about the m2a before the show. Let the flaming begin. People take this Dung Pile too personal. | |
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2003f150 Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 2610 Age : 41 Location : Biloxi,MS Registration date : 2007-09-12
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:48 am | |
| - supadave wrote:
- who knows man those amps could be tested at 14 an told on the site at 11.9 for ppl to buy them. but oh well.
matt i think you did a great job for a job you do basically by yourself year in an year out,
In all my owners manuals the m2a is rated @ 1600 @ 1 ohm @ 12v. DD themselves told me it would only do @ best 400 more watts @ 14.4 @ 1 ohm. They are made for low voltage. They protect above 15.2v. | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:12 am | |
| - 2003f150 wrote:
- Keep this in mind the dd m3a also says 3000 on the dd site and is a 0-600 watt amp.....the m2a does no where near the power of a m3a. M2a @ most would be 500 watts @ 4 ohm. Bottom line is you said you werent coming so I ran 2000-4000. You and I both know I didnt try to start anything with you. I AM THE ONE THAT TOLD MATT THE ATOMICS WERE 900 WATT AMPS NOW....TRYING TO HELP OUT PEOPLE NOT EVEN ON MY TEAM BUT YET YALL GONNA \"Female dog\" ABOUT ME? Come on now you all know I don't try to intentionally break rules. I asked Ralph about the m2a before the show. Let the flaming begin. People take this Dung Pile too personal.
I only made that 1st comment BSing with you..basically laughing it off that henry got told he was in the wrong class cause his amps say 5000.1.. and matt didnt want to listen untill he asked you.. the other stuff is between you and whoever is posting. I dont really care about your amp deal. but I do feel like henry got hastled while you did what you pleased after reading and hearing more about the weekend .. but oh well. Im not sure why its a big surprise that someone would take that situation personal. | |
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sanman I own this joint!
Number of posts : 12087 Age : 52 Location : shelbyville Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:48 am | |
| yeah we have heard dd say amps were good before to only find out that was a crock of Dung Pile
remember the ddm1's
also i like matt but as a director or running a show you need to eb on top of the ratings or have the ability to access the rating to ensure that amps are in the proper class
usaci is and has been really bad about having people running shows without any type of training.
i can throw monkeys in a barell to fill slots, but how many of them will be able to things correctly | |
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2003f150 Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 2610 Age : 41 Location : Biloxi,MS Registration date : 2007-09-12
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:40 am | |
| - Alan wrote:
- 2003f150 wrote:
- Keep this in mind the dd m3a also says 3000 on the dd site and is a 0-600 watt amp.....the m2a does no where near the power of a m3a. M2a @ most would be 500 watts @ 4 ohm. Bottom line is you said you werent coming so I ran 2000-4000. You and I both know I didnt try to start anything with you. I AM THE ONE THAT TOLD MATT THE ATOMICS WERE 900 WATT AMPS NOW....TRYING TO HELP OUT PEOPLE NOT EVEN ON MY TEAM BUT YET YALL GONNA \"Female dog\" ABOUT ME? Come on now you all know I don't try to intentionally break rules. I asked Ralph about the m2a before the show. Let the flaming begin. People take this Dung Pile too personal.
I only made that 1st comment BSing with you..basically laughing it off that henry got told he was in the wrong class cause his amps say 5000.1.. and matt didnt want to listen untill he asked you.. the other stuff is between you and whoever is posting. I dont really care about your amp deal. but I do feel like henry got hastled while you did what you pleased after reading and hearing more about the weekend .. but oh well. Im not sure why its a big surprise that someone would take that situation personal. I understand where you are coming from.....I didn't intentially mean to step on any toes either..... | |
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Blue_C1500 Novice Contributor
Number of posts : 112 Age : 50 Location : Louisiana Registration date : 2010-03-28
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:45 am | |
| - 2003f150 wrote:
- Keep this in mind the dd m3a also says 3000 on the dd site and is a 0-600 watt amp.....the m2a does no where near the power of a m3a. M2a @ most would be 500 watts @ 4 ohm. Bottom line is you said you werent coming so I ran 2000-4000. You and I both know I didnt try to start anything with you. I AM THE ONE THAT TOLD MATT THE ATOMICS WERE 900 WATT AMPS NOW....TRYING TO HELP OUT PEOPLE NOT EVEN ON MY TEAM BUT YET YALL GONNA \"Female dog\" ABOUT ME? Come on now you all know I don't try to intentionally break rules. I asked Ralph about the m2a before the show. Let the flaming begin. People take this Dung Pile too personal.
The rules say "A car audio system’s total wattage shall be determined by the highest manufacturer rated output divided by the proper number to ascertain the 4 ohm power output, or the manufacturer’s 4 ohm rating, whichever is higher". The M3a is not legal for 0-600 now because 3000÷4=750. Maybe the rules have changed since it was deemed legal but as of the 2011 rules it is not legal. As far as the M2a you told me straight out that those amps wouldn't be legal in 2000-4000 and the specs on the DD site back you up. The highest rating is 2300 and if you divide that by 4 you get 575 WRMS. You have 8 so you have a total of 4600 watts. Don't get confused with what the amps actually put out because that is irrelevant. Until USACi starts clamping the ratings are what determines your class. What do you mean since I said I wasn't coming you ran 2000-4000? Are you saying my presence is the only reason the rules should be followed? It's nothing personal towards you. I'm just pointing out that "fair and respectful" Matt isn't so fair and respectful to everyone. | |
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Alan Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 3897 Age : 44 Location : Watson Louisiana Registration date : 2008-02-05
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:17 pm | |
| - sanman wrote:
- yeah we have heard dd say amps were good before to only find out that was a crock of Dung Pile
remember the ddm1's
also i like matt but as a director or running a show you need to eb on top of the ratings or have the ability to access the rating to ensure that amps are in the proper class
usaci is and has been really bad about having people running shows without any type of training.
i can throw monkeys in a barell to fill slots, but how many of them will be able to things correctly I made a post just like this about someone running a 3x show knowing whats going on afyer matt said he has a life and dont spend every minute on this forum to be on tbe up n up about amps. But i just said nevermind because i knew it wouldnt go over well. But what you posted is the exact truth. If anything investigate before busting a guys balls in front of everyone in the lanes. | |
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sanman I own this joint!
Number of posts : 12087 Age : 52 Location : shelbyville Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:24 pm | |
| raking in the cash thats what its about
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Thomas HUFFman Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 453 Age : 40 Location : West Point MS Registration date : 2011-05-07
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:30 pm | |
| - Alan wrote:
- sanman wrote:
- yeah we have heard dd say amps were good before to only find out that was a crock of Dung Pile
remember the ddm1's
also i like matt but as a director or running a show you need to eb on top of the ratings or have the ability to access the rating to ensure that amps are in the proper class
usaci is and has been really bad about having people running shows without any type of training.
i can throw monkeys in a barell to fill slots, but how many of them will be able to things correctly I made a post just like this about someone running a 3x show knowing whats going on afyer matt said he has a life and dont spend every minute on this forum to be on tbe up n up about amps. But i just said nevermind because i knew it wouldnt go over well. But what you posted is the exact truth. If anything investigate before busting a guys balls in front of everyone in the lanes. YAY for google......how many people have this on there phone.....9 out of 10... yep dont gotta give up your life to find out a 4ohm ratting on an amp | |
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sanman I own this joint!
Number of posts : 12087 Age : 52 Location : shelbyville Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: scrapin scores Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:44 pm | |
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