My Door panels to be verified before finals

ok here is some pics of my door panels and headliner. i had a judge at some shows talk to ralph about it but i would like don to take a look at it before i drive 24hrs to finals and have any problems.
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The door panel is 3/8 mdf that has been glued to the oem door panels and recived paint to match the box.
The headliner is the oem headliner that has recived a skim coat of resin so it can also be painted to match the van. both the door and headliner remain flexable to a point
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nice looks legal to me

IM NOT FOR SURE IF YOU HAVE READ THE MOD RULES. BUT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH SAYS NO MODS.

Sketchy

Great idea Gary. I hope the rules committee will give you a response preferable in writing. Maybe there is a formal way to request their assistance.

if those doors had speakers in them from the factory then you need to ensure they have speakers in them now man thats OEM equivelant

Isn't taping closed the vents also not allowed?

nope forward the b-piller is a od no matter what it is

this van also does drag so tis legal there im thinking

thetape if from a db drag show i did

yup i thought so

Oh ok, i was just making sure! Lol

id say not legal doesnt look OEM equivelant to me, and i believe the duct tape is only legal in bass race

i said the tape is for when i do db drag. also it dosent matter to me about the door panels it r dont help me.i still rip the doors open every 8-10 burps just makes it look awsome and match the paint scheme.. so i seen vans at finals last yr like this so im just going with the flow but if there going to enforce it. they should for everyone. either way she's gunna be loud this yr

its legit doesnt matter what people think at all man cut speaker holes and your goodoem equivalent means looks oem

i would only think the resin and painted headliner would be in question over the doors?

You should put your heater box back in. That isn't legal the way it sits imo. \
Also your headliner isn't legal and those doors are questionable since there's no speakers in there to even justify reinforcing them that way.
Oh yea, you can't tape your visors up like that either it says right in db drag rule books that you can only tape vents and windows.

Also is your doghouse resin and painted? If it is..........

yeah they said it dont have to have the heater core etc. but it cant create a pocket to fit the mic. and also the carpet ripped off the dog house it no different then ripping the carpet off teh floor and running bare metel..

Alan wrote:

yeah they said it dont have to have the heater core etc. but it cant create a pocket to fit the mic. and also the carpet ripped off the dog house it no different then ripping the carpet off teh floor and running bare metel..

In db drag, which is what the pics were taken of, the heater box has to be in. Glad I'm not a judge. Maybe I should be just for astros.

Geoff, i cant find in db where it says in the rules the heater core has to be in, my van has been judge many times at 3x events. is there a section that i missed that states thats . also my dash and doghouse are just painted over no resin.

the dog house should have carpet on it from the factory like the floor. you wouldnt be allowed to pull the factory carpet and run bare floor. in usaci, with the heater box out it opens up the pocket for the mic to fit it.
this biggest problem for all this , which is something i hate.. is that its all up to who ever checks it at finals. one show and one judge might be ok.. the next show and judge might say no go. ive mentioned my idea of how the our cars SHOULD be. but who knows...

how come no rules have not been made on the heater core or fan motor when they have been in the gray part of the rules for so long. as far as i go if it is not black and white and other people are doing it but happen not to mention it to then to me it is legal. there have been other straight out things done to bypass the rules and not to much has been done to stop those people. to me it`s all far till they say it`s against the rules

coming~4~U~2010 wrote:

Geoff, i cant find in db where it says in the rules the heater core has to be in, my van has been judge many times at 3x events. is there a section that i missed that states thats . also my dash and doghouse are just painted over no resin.

You are taking two HUGE chunks of plastic out from under the dash. A heater core is a small type radiator that takes up hardly any space under the dash. But you took out the ductwork for it all which increases SPL by a good margain for db drag and USACi. The dash has to stay OEM and you are taking out these two really large pieces of plastic that make it nowhere near OEM looking. If I pulled those out of my van I'd be up near 168's on the dash with minimal testing. On top of that you have duct tape in places which are not legal for db drag. I know I could do all that as well since our judge doesn't stare into cars he just wants people to have fun and it is up to the competitor to keep it legit especially if they are World Finals bound (and he tells the loud people this and they know it), but I know that isn't anywhere near OEM.

No disrespect to Robert Kollar but when I went to 2006 USACi World Finals for the db drag event to set a World Record I was in the USACi lanes looking at Astros and I saw his heater box was out as well. All I could think was, "Wtf!?!?!?!" That's one of the main reasons I stopped going to USACi finals because rules change so much from the rulebook to in the lanes. Stuff isn't legal and it passes because of people arguing. So they say you can mod the kick panel of an astro so much that it increases SPL by a large margain but yet you have to have your lights working or your windshield wipers on a show only SPL vehicle.

So to answer you question in short the heater core isnt all the material to took out of your dash.

basically now we just need the rules to reflect what is happening in the lanes yes or no if it is going to be legal or not. and this rule if it were to change should now be enforced for the new season and not partially but tell all judges to look for this and move these cars in to the right class. if this is going to be in all fairness

really it is in the rule book. its a mod in from of the b pillar that does not resemble OEM. pretty much exactly how geoff said it is how it was mentioned in the verification judge post. heater core is not a issue. gutting the dash and big ass plastic box to make room for the globe IS..

explains 2 amp scores ....................I know murillo makes descent amps but...................

wow geoff thats almost 2 1/2 db gain for you. thats alot !. it MAY be only a few tenths for me. im working on gettin one to put in because i am ready to post some good numbers and dont want any issues why anyone, just here to have fun. and corey they are really strong amps. you can see 20k+ out of one of them! also corey i am doing nothing diffrent but sub change and posted the same numbers on 2 amps as i did with 4 basicly.. its all in the box and how well you have it built and strong it is.

The whole heater core thing has been an issue in drag all the way back to 04, some vans have been allowed to go thru without, some have been required to put it back in, but id say the vast majority have been allowed without. But if you plan on bringing a decent score to finals, bet your ass someone will whine til you have yours put back in.

i think its more the housing and all the duct work ,blower etc , rather than just the heater core. and still not sure resin on the headliner is ok?

That's not a 2.5 db gain for me, lol. I haven't even played my van at full potential yet.