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I am getting somewhere !

Grats.. Nice score

Alan wrote:

i dont see the big issue with what meter is used.. i havent seen enough differance from one TL to the next for it to really matter.. id be MUCH more worried about the judge verifying the car/build/eqpt is legal and lagit and on the same playing field before id worry about one TL vs another TL ...

Mike Homuth's TL is .5 higher than mine.
Larry Pegelsdorf's (upper midwest director) is .3 tighter than mine.

That's a total of .8 db difference, at nearly a full decibel in variance between only 3 mics, I'd like to know the money i'm paying to attempt a WR run is ran on the same meter that every other WR has run on.

ok...

I wasnt implying your point of consistent and fair judging wasnt important as well. I think they're both equally as important.

thats kool. i really dont agree though. if YOUR car is built to the rules and stock inside.. and MY dash is gutted with a piece of MDF behind the glove box making a pocket and then a tool box sitting on the floor and no one to check it out, like we know has been done ALOT.. i will with out any question take my chances on the variance in TL to TL ..

whoa, i'm lost, what are you talking about?

The recent issue of cheating. Surprisingly not every build has been completely legal per the rule book.

this has been known, and been documented ide like to see some action taken by usaci truthfully

hell i will even volunteer to be a verification judge at finals

I know it's been known. Come on....doesn't matter if it's spl or baseball....if there is competition there are cheaters.

I remember that vid on youtube....I guess my replies were geared more towards the threads initial topic of setting new WR's and thee importance of using an official mic.

But yeah, I agree, the tool box record is pretty bs.

sanman wrote:

this has been known, and been documented ide like to see some action taken by usaci truthfully

hell i will even volunteer to be a verification judge at finals

DAMN i cant afford what we talked about to "verfy" my car at finals any more.. hows a cool 20 bucks sound?

i got money im good be legit or stay home lol

dang.. well mat lets me toss him a 50 and go right through.. but im poor this year.. lmao

oh, just change it between verification and the lanes. Not like that hasnt' been done before.

dang.. i coulda been saving cash at finals all this time!!

I agree. The difrance from tl to tl is not much. But Jaffe can't do a record run unless I pay to ship the offical world record mic to the show!

.8 db from one termlab to another isn't that much????? That's almost a whole db. I'd say that could make a difference between getting a record and not getting one.

ive never seen .8 but thats me

Mike Homuth's TL is .5 higher than mine.
Larry Pegelsdorf's (upper midwest director) is .3 tighter than mine.

That's a total of .8 db difference, at nearly a full decibel in variance between only 3 mics, I'd like to know the money i'm paying to attempt a WR run is ran on the same meter that every other WR has run on.


From Zac Davis

This is my region also. I've seen it happen. It sucks. It's nice that we know it though otherwise we would have been searching for lost dbs that weren't really lost. I've seen .2 from our meters to the meter we ran at finals. Again not a huge difference but any difference in meters matters.

Unless both mic's are in the same location at the same time it could be other factors. The .8 is hard to beleve!

Same show same day. Same shop, same day. I've had our 4 judging meters together and seen a big difference between them. I was usually nice and used the loudest one for shows.

ever think there is maybe somthing wrong with one of those meters? or maybe whoevers car was .3 up that day had less gas in the tank? or the humidity was up? or maybe his amps just didnt feel like working as well.. or maybe he broke his woofers in more before he got on the other mic? it dont matter i said " i " havent seen it .. and i trust the TL more than i trust most judges verifiying cars.. i know the gains a un verified cabin can have.. its much more than .8

mschwitz wrote:

Same show same day. Same shop, same day. I've had our 4 judging meters together and seen a big difference between them. I was usually nice and used the loudest one for shows.

why did you have 4 judges meters at one show.. all fired up and testing cars?

you do know you can go into the software and make the sensor read higher? maybe they been jacked with and never back to exact settings?

My car, about 15 minutes apart. I wondered why my score was down when I hadn't changed anything. Grabbed the other meters until I found the one I had the last time and then marked it.

I agree the termlab is the smallest variable in the judging but it was originally said that only one termlab would be used for record runs so that the possible difference in meters wouldn't be a factor.

Same computer, no changes to anything. I checked on many occasions. It does happen. Even if it's a .1 db difference between meters thats not a level playing field for record runs. If we do it with any termlab people will eventually figure our whose is loudest and they will go to the meter to get that extra .2 for the record run. What was the problem with using one meter for records like the B&K?

ok useless arguement.. TL sucks.. even though its more consistant than any human judge ive ever came accrossed the ten years i been around usaci

mschwitz wrote:

Same computer, no changes to anything. I checked on many occasions. It does happen. Even if it's a .1 db difference between meters thats not a level playing field for record runs. If we do it with any termlab people will eventually figure our whose is loudest and they will go to the meter to get that extra .2 for the record run. What was the problem with using one meter for records like the B&K?

because its obveosly and issue for everyone to run on it .. cost money to get "it" to shows.. i dont think any shows in La area have the option to get a record this season yet.. besides most peoples cars arent consistant enough to see a .1 anyway

I'm not saying it sucks, just stick to what we were originally told and use one meter to avoid this conversation all together. I agree verification needs to be consistant as well. There needs to be a lot checked and guidelines in place for record runs so it's fair from one location to the next.

mschwitz wrote:

Same computer, no changes to anything. I checked on many occasions. It does happen. Even if it's a .1 db difference between meters thats not a level playing field for record runs. If we do it with any termlab people will eventually figure our whose is loudest and they will go to the meter to get that extra .2 for the record run. What was the problem with using one meter for records like the B&K?

same computer? so you ran another sensor and box another TLs software?