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 3 12's or 2 15's?

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PostSubject: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:43 am

ok, i'm building a setup for a friend and wanted some opinions.

currently in my friends s10, i built a box(6.1cubes) tuned at 48hrz for 2 15's. The 15's he bought are some cheap pawn shop Q-powers, and we sourced him a crossfire vr1000d for a good deal, so far the q-powers have been holding up for a year now without issues.
We're wanting to upgrade the subs though and one of our friends can get us kicker for about 70% off retail, not a huge kicker fan, but it will suffice. We was thinking about just dropping in a pair of comp vr 15's to replaces the q powers.
Another thought for about the same costs of those subs, would be to get 3 12" comp vr's instead, sure with the vc's config's i would either have to run a 0.66 ohm load or a 1.33 ohm load on the amp, and i loose a little cone area by going to 3 12's.
So, go 2 15's or 3 12's? If i go 12's i will fire subs and port up, currently the box for 15's is firing port/subs towards rear seat, which we have deemed, unfavorable but still good.
We're running a 1ohm load on the 1000d right now, has anyone on here ran or think a crossfire vr1000d can run .66 daily?
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:51 am

I doubt you will want to run at .66 daily? Im strapped at 1 ohm to my DD9518G so each of my M3's are seeing a .5 load before rise and those start to get warm after a good hour of play time! IDK how your amp will like it?
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:15 pm

well personally i do not like to run my setups any lower than the manuf recommended load. I think i may just run a 1.33 for him if we go with the 12's, he will lose a little power but not a lot. I don't think he hardly ever turns it up, so i was not worried to much, but i guess i better stick with a safe load since its not my setup.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:25 pm

Good idea, especially when ur not in control lol! I like the 3 12's idea, I did my brothers everyday system in his cherokee and with woofers up port back we did a 142 in the kick which aint bad when he is using 3 12" Rockford P1's 8ohm svc and the rockford 300 watt mono amp! LOL It bangs for such a low wattage system!
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:32 pm

nice.. yea i didn't take a few things into consideration when i designed the last box. its fine when he is just riding because he is like 5'10 ish. i'm 6'3", when i jump in the truck, i wanna sit the seat all the way back, then i have the entire 150 sq in port blocked by the seat, and i have to sit it up a little to get the air flowing.. kinda sucks.. but if the subs and port were up we wouldn't have that little issue. The setup is a daily setup but we want it to be able to jump in the lanes at a moments notice, and currently the setup is only doing low 140's i'm guessing, we got on an antique goldline mic and got a 148, but on the TL i'm guessing 140-143 ish. I'm still trying to figure out the best setup in a truck, because i'm used to building setups in hatchback cars (civics,integra's) and not used to an ext cab setup.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:39 pm

Oh ok, well in my ranger best i tried was subs forward port up in the back by the window! I used 4" aero ports on my 2 9512's and was doin a 154 but I also had a hifonics sampson powering them at only 1 ohm! for low power your probably gunna wanna run aero ports to get best results?? I did a slot port firing up on my 2 18's same vehicle and I did a 157 but it was just a burp box no music! LOL
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:11 pm

this gpoing to be a comp vehicle
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:53 pm

sounds like they want both but unfortunately to be real competitive you gotta choose one or the other!
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:07 pm

YUP SO ILL REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING THEN
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:07 pm

LOL Thats funny!
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:11 pm

^^^^^^^i agree with him on this one. if ya wanna be loud in a spl class you build to burp. if you wanna be loud in spl well you build to burp an then find a song at that freq. lol good luck man i hope you guys do well an i hope to see ya in biloxi in a few weeks
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:15 am

its not gonna be a one tone wonder or anything like that, its just basically gonna be a low power daily driver in the 140's
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:17 am

yea we will be at scrapin, luckily its only a one hour drive for us, but unless there is a cheap fee for a "fun run" then i doubt we're gonna have it metered, but we will def be over watching if were not too distracted by (.)(.)
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:53 am

then the amound of subs or the size really isnt a fctor here
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:04 pm

i guess not, its not like cone area will matter too much here, i guess i was just looking for opinions on the setups really, weather i should keep 2 15's or go with 3 12's, slightly less power, but a much better setup as far as box and loading is concerned
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:09 pm

15's are louder just because they are 15's lol then you have mo power but its 10% equipment 90% build just remeber that
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:18 pm

wrog dave 3 12's will be louder because they have more cone area, and motor

do people on here ever learn anything
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:23 pm

sanman wrote:
wrog dave 3 12's will be louder because they have more cone area, and motor

do people on here ever learn anything


guys fyi i'm not some lowly newb, and btw 2 15's does have more cone area than 3 12's, not by much though.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:39 pm

cone area is near identicle, but the motor you gain from 3 12's is the true gain in this build
kinda like saying hats louder 6 12's or 8 10's we know 8 10's
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:51 pm

i concur, i work in an engineering group, dissipating heat across 3 formers is way better than just 2
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PostSubject: Re: 3 12's or 2 15's?   Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:53 pm

i think i may get him to order 3 12's, mainly because i don't like the box we built last time and we need a new direction, i wanted him to get 3 12" RE SX's but he can't afford the power to push them..
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