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nebrsq Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 382 Location : Nebraska Registration date : 2007-06-26
| Subject: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:29 pm | |
| Hey there everyone.
Hopin someone can help me out. I have had a terrible time keeping my voltage up in street beat. I'm looking to add more battery power. Any suggestions on what would work best. Right now I'm running off one stinger sp1000 and a 200 amp alt. It will run the 30 sec. now, but I just added a second amp.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks SQ gone SPL | |
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quad box Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1711 Age : 58 Location : Palm Springs,Ca Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:45 pm | |
| add a five farad cap or one of the new hybrid caps, just how much power are you running? | |
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AudioAnonymous Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 736 Age : 47 Location : Titletown Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:43 pm | |
| Why not just a regular "bigger" battery like a Stinger 2150, NSB90, Optima Group 31, etc | |
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Gabe Sanchez Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 666 Age : 47 Location : AZ Registration date : 2007-06-26
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:55 pm | |
| when it comes to street beat ... quantity counts on batteries
No offence Leonard though, but caps don't do anything for street beat. | |
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DMAN Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 2007 Age : 52 Location : Grand Junction, Colorado Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:58 pm | |
| I have heard that the NSB90 is one of the best for street beat, but I dont know first hand. | |
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nebrsq Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 382 Location : Nebraska Registration date : 2007-06-26
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:01 pm | |
| I will be running 2 orion 2500D's. Only rated at 1000 into 4ohm. I will be running them both at 1/2 ohm. | |
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mod4000 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1093 Location : Midland Texas Registration date : 2007-06-21
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:17 pm | |
| - CactusSounds-Geoff wrote:
- Why not just a regular "bigger" battery like a Stinger 2150, NSB90, Optima Group 31, etc
X2 Caps are not for SPL | |
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nebrsq Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 382 Location : Nebraska Registration date : 2007-06-26
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:27 pm | |
| With the space requirement in the engine comp., the sp1000 is as big as I can go there, but one of the above batteries can be added in back. I have space for 2 large ones without redesigning the whole setup. If 2 will not work, I may be in trouble.
I will check them out and see if one more will work.
Thanks for the help | |
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dbracer79 Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1086 Age : 47 Location : Capital of the world. Registration date : 2007-06-28
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:11 pm | |
| - nebrsq wrote:
- Hey there everyone.
Hopin someone can help me out. I have had a terrible time keeping my voltage up in street beat. I'm looking to add more battery power. Any suggestions on what would work best. Right now I'm running off one stinger sp1000 and a 200 amp alt. It will run the 30 sec. now, but I just added a second amp.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks SQ gone SPL Batcap 400's | |
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quad box Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1711 Age : 58 Location : Palm Springs,Ca Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:12 pm | |
| right, i never have any problems running 4k plus watts with a autozone batt under the hood and just a one farad cap stock alt?
many people never let there stock charging systems catch up, you cannot go to a show play your system before your run have ac going and expect your battery to keep up, adding a second battery does no good if you never have full charges on them.
the night before a show i always charge on the charger to have full reserve power, caps or cheap takes no space or adds weight and does just fine and are over looked there are Brand X guys using them hitting mad numbers, and i have seen nothing but raves on the new hybid caps?
keep in mind how many years the cap has been around over twenty in car audio if they don't work why do they still sell to this day? | |
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quad box Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1711 Age : 58 Location : Palm Springs,Ca Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:17 pm | |
| p.s. on the way to a show i never run the system with bass amps on, have a switch and trun off the sub amps. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:48 pm | |
| caps have no place in spl, everyone just remember that........................................................................... |
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HellRzR Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 800 Age : 50 Location : Leavenworth, Ks Registration date : 2007-06-30
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:00 pm | |
| yea, caps can help with spl, but for street beat a 30 second bass note theyre not going to give him what hes looking for. i personally dont like caps, but thats how i feel. | |
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quad box Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1711 Age : 58 Location : Palm Springs,Ca Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:01 pm | |
| yeah their are only guys in drag breaking records with them, you must know how to apply any product, if you own a battcap that what they were at the start untill rerated as a battery | |
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TECH114 Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 4748 Age : 50 Location : Town of DBs Registration date : 2007-06-24
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:02 am | |
| - nebrsq wrote:
- I will be running 2 orion 2500D's. Only rated at 1000 into 4ohm.
I will be running them both at 1/2 ohm. This is the spec for the 2500D 1 X 1200 @ 4 Ohm 1 X 1700 @ 2 Ohm 1 X 2500 @ 1 Ohm Now that is for each one. U will be running them at .05 ohms. These amps are power hungry. You will need lots of Battery. | |
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aphinney Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1305 Age : 36 Location : omaha ne Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:49 am | |
| caps can also be used for something other than battery power..but sibley is the only one that knows about that ...right bro | |
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Matt_Sibley Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 957 Age : 38 Location : Baton Rouge, LA Registration date : 2007-06-25
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:24 am | |
| Well yea but still never tested that theory...maybe now would be a good time to see since those caps have been in my room for over a year now Also, I'd have to agree that the additional batteries would help much more in Street beat than adding capacitors. Quad did make a good point in one manner though, even with the additional batteries and 200 amp alternator I would recommend charging the batteries with a battery charger over night and again right before your run for best results. Since you have the SP1000 under the hood I would recommend a pair of 2150's for the rear. There are different charging methods for each battery type but the powermaster charger is probably your best bet for long life and a good charge on your batteries. The intellichargers will give longer life to your batteries and charge them properly without worry. If you know what you're doing you can use a manual charger and make it work but having one of the microprocessor controlled chargers is much easier. Good luck. | |
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Tim Schaffer Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 655 Registration date : 2007-06-25
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:48 pm | |
| I got what you need I only have one left but its one of the best for streetbeat nsb 125 you wont find anything better for the price hit me up if you need it | |
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iowan Advanced Contributor
Number of posts : 1018 Age : 36 Location : Take a guess.... Registration date : 2007-06-22
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:03 pm | |
| how bout a 35 farad cap?? | |
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modxterra Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 253 Age : 38 Location : Bridgewater, New Jersey Registration date : 2007-07-27
| Subject: Re: battery type Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:54 pm | |
| is it really worth upgrading your alternator cause this dealer that sells them told me that the alternator only gives out its high amperage at a high rpm and when you do your run the car is only idleing at 1200 | |
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TECH114 Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 4748 Age : 50 Location : Town of DBs Registration date : 2007-06-24
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:34 am | |
| - modxterra wrote:
- is it really worth upgrading your alternator cause this dealer that sells them told me that the alternator only gives out its high amperage at a high rpm and when you do your run the car is only idleing at 1200
Get one with an external voltage regulator. | |
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BillGass Above Average Contributor
Number of posts : 893 Age : 52 Registration date : 2007-06-25
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:38 am | |
| It depends on how the alternator is built. I am far from an alternator expert, but I've been told by several that you can have the alternator built to perform at 'idle' or higher rpm(as most are). You can also use an overdrive pulley to increase the relative rpm of the alternator in comparison to the engine.
As for caps................................... For 400 amps of current draw(roughly 4000 watts) you would need roughly 5000 farads to start at 14.7 volts and stay above 12 volts for the entire run. I would recommend batteries as opposed to caps for street beat. I don't feel that a low esr battery has a ton to offer in this class either. You are not looking for the initial burst of energy, but rather the reserve that your battery bank has. The only advantage to a low ESR battery that I can see is that most are AGM design and thus are sealed and able to be mounted in any position. | |
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modxterra Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 253 Age : 38 Location : Bridgewater, New Jersey Registration date : 2007-07-27
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:56 am | |
| - TECH114 wrote:
- modxterra wrote:
- is it really worth upgrading your alternator cause this dealer that sells them told me that the alternator only gives out its high amperage at a high rpm and when you do your run the car is only idleing at 1200
Get one with an external voltage regulator. where can i get one of those from? | |
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XFL-Leader Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 320 Age : 55 Location : Knoxville, TN Home of the Volunteers Registration date : 2007-06-30
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:32 pm | |
| Iraggi alternators, Ohio Generator, Power Master,
to name a few. | |
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slumpinhonda Thats a Lot of Posts!
Number of posts : 2938 Age : 37 Location : BFE Nebraska Registration date : 2007-06-23
| Subject: Re: battery type Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:06 pm | |
| - quad box wrote:
- right, i never have any problems running 4k plus watts with a autozone batt under the hood and just a one farad cap stock alt?
many people never let there stock charging systems catch up, you cannot go to a show play your system before your run have ac going and expect your battery to keep up, adding a second battery does no good if you never have full charges on them.
the night before a show i always charge on the charger to have full reserve power, caps or cheap takes no space or adds weight and does just fine and are over looked there are Brand X guys using them hitting mad numbers, and i have seen nothing but raves on the new hybid caps?
keep in mind how many years the cap has been around over twenty in car audio if they don't work why do they still sell to this day? depends on the application for caps......and street beat isnt a good application for it.....batteries would be the way to go for street beat.....and caps are over looked because it take tons of farads for them to be effective............... | |
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modxterra Basic Contributor
Number of posts : 253 Age : 38 Location : Bridgewater, New Jersey Registration date : 2007-07-27
| Subject: Re: battery type Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:46 pm | |
| - XFL-Leader wrote:
- Iraggi alternators,
Ohio Generator, Power Master,
to name a few. thanks. will that raise my voltage any higher then it is? | |
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