define audio-car vs car-audio

I wanna hear this...you can cite examples. I have my opinions...I want to see everyone else's.

jsketoe wrote:

I wanna hear this...you can cite examples. I have my opinions...I want to see everyone else's.

I don't know quite what your looking for here. I would think an "audio-car" would be a car built around an audio system. IE some of the more extreme expert cars or demos such as Alpine does for CES every year. Where as "car-audio" falls more into the catagory of us regular guys that cram stuff into our vehicles but retain full vehicle function even if it degrades the "true audio".

Like I said. I don't think I understand the question John. Can you elaberate?

I totally agree with John.
Or at least I understand the question the same way he does.

doitor wrote:

I totally agree with John.
Or at least I understand the question the same way he does.

Which John? Me or John Sketoe?

Nice to meet you at the College Station show buy the way. Good luck to you and the rest of the HAT guys. As if you guys need luck on your side.

edit: I see in your sig that you are a canidate for HAT. I assumed you would be in there by now. You really have a passion for this little thing we call SQ competition.

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My guess audio-car is what Steve brown builds for Alpine.
Car-audio most likely is just basically stock system.
DAMN-I THINK YOU'RE PULLING MY LEG HERE OR SOMETHING!!!!

car-audio :audio equipment built to be fitted in a automobile.
audio-car :automobile that is built to be fitted in a audio system.

i guess i also agree with john (roberts).
john ,by the way let me take the time to share this photo that doitor sent me.

jkrob21 wrote:

doitor wrote:

I totally agree with John.
Or at least I understand the question the same way he does.

Which John? Me or John Sketoe?

Nice to meet you at the College Station show buy the way. Good luck to you and the rest of the HAT guys. As if you guys need luck on your side.

edit: I see in your sig that you are a canidate for HAT. I assumed you would be in there by now. You really have a passion for this little thing we call SQ competition.

Which John? YOU. (John Roberts) (John Sketoe asked the question)
It was also great meeting you, and thanks for ALL the helps and pointers.
Once you apply for Team Hybrids you're a Candidate Member for the first year, and then you "upgrade" to senior member. But I'm in there.

A grand example of an Audio-Car is

My Civic

A hybrid of an Audio-Car is

Lou's Lexus
Gary's Regal
Mike Lau's Truck

I build both....and it depends on what you are willing to give up to achieve the best possible sound. You can achieve about 90% of everything an Audio-car does without doing what we have done. It is that last 10% that is achieved by doing what we do. And it looks crazy too. It is fun to build thing the way we do....It is not the only way or the best way. It is just our style.

Thanks for the pic Tijuana! Why am I always the shortest guy in the picture?

Chris your Civic was one of the first cars that popped into my head as an "audio-car".

I wonder if we are reading John's question correctly or if he's going somewhere else with this?

Just asking...I like deep thinking questions.

Audio-car...built around the stereo...driving is pretty much down at the bottom of the list if even on the list.

Car-audio...car remains functional and safe with intended gear for safety and the installer builds around that to achieve the best possible competition set up. Car choice and working room shall we say would be very important.

Chris P...audio-car.
Mark Eldridge...audio-car.
Biggs old Regal...yeah, audio-car IMO....very border line though.
Steve Brown's stuff for current Alpine builds...audio-car
there are others for sure...

Just want to see where everyone stands on what is too far to the point that the car is primarily audio focused.

Nothing is too far. It just depends on what you are wanting too achieve. I tell everyone.....if you have a idea, or a dream build it....or if you can't, find someone who can and build it with them.

naw...you miss my point...I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it at all...I'm just looking for the division line and to define it.

A simple definition might be that a car-audio, can be a daily driver, ergonomics, security and functionality over sound.
Audio-cars just cant be daily drivers, sound over anything else.

doiter - I think you are right on your defining lines.

Although Lou's Lexus and Mike's truck are going to be "street legal" I don't think I'd want to have to drive the Lexus on a road trip. With the seats sitting right on the false floor, it would be a little uncomfortable after my legs went to sleep. And I'm not sure the seats actually go far enough forward to drive the car (unless you are 6'6").

On the "car audio" side: Our GTi is still a daily driver, w/ a serious car audio system. We've never had that car on a trailer, and drove over 15k miles in 2007 to shows throughout the country. We weren't willing to have to go buy a truck and rent a trailer just yet to tow the car.

Hey, Sketoe - where are you wanting this thread to go? I'm trying to understand why are you looking for definitions and opinions? You've got the gears cranking in my head now....

Monte, I drove Lou's lexus across town...(30 miles) to my house and back, I am 5'7....on a good day and it wasn't bad.

Also Sketoe....I am not saying it is bad.....I am saying the line can get blury.....there really is not a division until the car is not drive-able. Gary's regal, Mark's stock car, Lou's Lexus, and Mike's truck are all able to be driven on the street in a very comfortable fashion. The Honda and the Alpine cars on the other hand are a different story.

i would love to see a pic of your honda chris

this is a good thread ,cause it shows that maybe usaci should make more sq classes or redefine the current classes .
don't you think?

I'm not 'going' any where with this...just making some opinions obvious to right people.

I guess I'm into car-audio.

I'm into car-audio as well. If I had to make an audio-car to compete, I don't know if I would...but if I did, it wouldn't be in something I didn't want to cut up like mine.

So when is the invatational? I want to give "car audio" a try!

This IS an interesting thread.... it does kinda get one thinking about defining some of the grayer areas of the rules to have like vehicles competing against like vehicles.....

jsketoe wrote:

I'm into car-audio as well. If I had to make an audio-car to compete, I don't know if I would...but if I did, it wouldn't be in something I didn't want to cut up like mine.

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The moment you guys start doing that is the moment you make another huge mistake. Example, see what I A S C A has done over the last two years with their rules.

...but observe what is new this year for IASCA...

the way to do it...as I remember Ralph saying years ago at Blast just off the cuff...is to take a car show check sheet except fill it out like an SQ car would be built...these many mods=this class. LOL...that's be monkey-simple.

And that is working out great. The fix is introducing an actual street class. Oh....we tried that and it got mixed up.

Everyone have the kind-ness not to blow up Ralph's cell phone on NYE or NYD.

I really don't think that will be a problem. I have it on good authority that nothing is going to change for the next year.

jsketoe wrote:

the way to do it...as I remember Ralph saying years ago at Blast just off the cuff...is to take a car show check sheet except fill it out like an SQ car would be built...these many mods=this class. LOL...that's be monkey-simple.

Oh they do that.....it is called M E C A!

That works great!