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PostSubject: PLEASE READ!!   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:48 pm

First topic message reminder :

This is a pm I sent to ralph last week, before the other post about changes was even made. Ralph has not read it yet and I also sent it onto a few others in hopes that something may change. Let me just say that this is just my point of view, but from what ive read in the past week or so it seems that alot of competitors or people that would like to compete think something needs to change. Im sure this will get blown way out of text like the other thread but this is just my opinion, take it for what its worth. This is the only post im gonna make,either you agree in some form or fashion or you dont, I dont have time or care to fight and bicker back and forth about changes, this is just one persons point of view.


Ralph,

Id like to take a few minutes of your time to discuss the issues I see with usaci and what can be done to make it better. Let me just start off by saying that I love the outlaw format, this is where myself and alot of my teamates (team sweep) started competing on a national level, but in its current state neither myself or my team really have the desire to run it anymore. Id like you to keep an open mind while reading this and any comparisons, accusations etc. made are not harshly intended but to try and help. I have some really good ideas that could get your manufacturers and comeptitors back.

The #1 reason you have lost competitors and manufactures is the 4 ohm rating. The 4 ohm rating determines what spl class your in. This needed to be changed years ago and no matter what buisness your in you have to stay relavant. The biggest issues with it are you have probably 75% or more of your competitors using the same amplifier from a small company that probably doesnt even sponsor usaci. The rest of them are sponsored by db drive and run unlimited or run street beat. Their maybe another company that does ok like b2 audio that just really started hitting the scene but for the most part all the competitors are using an rd audio d5 in the lower power classes and pretty much all of them have been won with the same amp for the last 3 years or so. Now why would any big name car audio company sponsor usaci when nobody is using their equipment. Then on the other hand why would someone want to compete in usaci if they have to go buy an $800+ amp of this certain brand just to be competitve in the lowest class available. The main reason for the loss of competitors is cost. Just to be competitve in lowest class,stock 0-600 it would cost $5k plus if your just starting out. Then another factor is, why would a manufacter want to help a competitor for a organization that they dont sponsor or they would have no chance of winning because of the 4 ohm rating. The fact is the companies that are winning dont have to sponsor people because everyone needs that particular amp to win so theyll pay for it.

Another issue is everyone using these supercaps in place of batteries. The rules say unlimited amount of caps which should mean car audio caps xx farad. But people have took it to the extreme and are using banks of 2.5v supercaps in place of batteries. Fact is a bank of these are stronger than a battery and alot of poeple are running like 3-4 banks in the lowest classes. So with the battery limit being 2, they are basically using 4. Something should be done about this, its not what the rule is intended for. And also why would a battery company want to sponsor usaci when nobody is competing with their batteries.

What I purpose should be done, and competitors have been begging for it for years is get rid of the 4ohm rating system and make the classes determined by the highest rms rating of the amplifier. That way you can have amps that are competitve with each other no matter what ohm their rated at. For instance look at kicker, all their amps are rated at 2 ohm, why would anyone want to compete with their amps in usaci, when they can fit 2 or 3 amps of the same power in the same class, just doesnt make much sence. You should have close to the same power in each class no matter what brand of amp you use. Thats not the case at all as of now. You can also lower the cost of competing by doing this. You can say have the lowest class 0-3000watts with a limit of 2 amps. Just about every company out there has a 1500 and 3000watt amp. Something like this will give a much wider range of manufacturers as well. I mean look at MWSPL theyve gotten huge and Id be willing to bet thier finals has a higher attendance than usaci this year. Heres why. Its way more cost affective for the competitor and manufacturers are sposoring them because people are using a wide variety of equipment. Also their finals is free and they have a payout. Like it or not they have something figured out.

Another thing is why did you ever get rid of basic stock? It did really well and gave amatuers a chance to compete on a national level. To keep thriving you have to get new people in the door at finals. As of now nobody wants to start out knowing they are going to finals to lose to a 160 in the lowest spl class. It takes years and alot of money to get to the point that most people in stock classes are at. Why would a amatuer want to compete against a 5+ year veteran?

Heres kinda what I was thinking in class devolpment, Its just off the top of my head and may need tweaked but its a start. I think something like this would work well and Ive talked to other teammates and competitors that think its a good idea as well. I also think that the street beat classes should have a power cap as well, they have gotten way out of hand when the lowest class with 2 tens and 20k power does 158-159s. Anyway I hope some of this was helpful, Id really love to see Usaci thrive again and get teamsweep and other competitors back in the lanes!

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AMATUER STOCK/ 15.5V MAX
Amatuer stock 0-1500 watts/ 1 battery/ 1 amp
Amatuer stock 0-3000 watts/ 2 batteries/ 2 amps

STOCK/15.5v MAX
Stock 0-3000 watts/2 batteries/ 2 amps
Stock 3000-6000watts/3 batteries/ 4 amps
Stock 6000-12,000 watts/6 batteries/ 6 amps

PRO STOCK/18v MAX
Pro stock 0-6000 watts/3 batteries/ 4 amps
Pro stock 6000-12,000 watts/6 batteries/ 6 amps
Pro stock unlimited

MODIFIED/18V MAX
Modified 0-10,000 watts/6 batteries/ 4 amps
Modified 10,000-20,000 watts/12 batteries/ 8 amps
Modified unlimited

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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:54 pm

Im just offering my ideas.. ralph can do whatever the hell he wants he's probably not even reading this are gives 2 shitts about it
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:10 pm

many are going to see shock and awe here Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:51 pm

but experience and or that around you will get you everywhere i know i said something about build in this thread somewhere
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:17 pm

drive by... ya gotta play low notes ta meter good
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:21 pm

Bass race really is the ultimate of classes for all people lol. Too bad it's already taken. Not sure if they Many competitors is those classes
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:24 pm

Moonie runs a d5
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:46 am

moonise hasnt always ran a d5 and if you would have looked closed i did say i know he has one
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:02 am

His best numbers are with a d5, 0-600
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:03 am

his number with the dc was also better than most in that class as well

the d5 will not win this class this year an older amp will just to prove a point
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:09 am

Hell the d5 makes so much power im thinking about buying 12etuu, I know they are working for Tiny sb setup
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:11 am

lol not everyone has this type of luck with them
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:18 am

And now the new b2 amp, here's the deal if the new competitor comes in and wants to run 0 600 and he doesn't have a D5 or a b2 and he's running against guys that do he doesn't stand a chance, problem is that you have seasoned veterans that can call manufactures and get great prices that your average competitor can't get, trust me I'm guilty will not buy unless its at cost.
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:20 am

sanman wrote:
his number with the dc was also better than most in that class as well

the d5 will not win this class this year an older amp will just to prove a point

Put this is your sig until after finals
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:26 am

im going to prove build beats power this is why im buying my sdime back just to prove this and to shut people the fornicate up about the dammm d5 namely you ALAN


i proposed a newbie class people didnt like it because it takes them out of it oh well we wanna fix something but not go all in because then it affects more than just what some want fixed.

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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:40 am

The day competing is no longer fun and becomes personal is the day I will quit and find something else to do.
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:54 am

See i find all of this fun the competition the Dung Pile talking all of it
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:06 am

sanman wrote:
im going to prove build beats power this is why im buying my sdime back just to prove this and to shut people the fornicate up about the dammm d5 namely you ALAN


i proposed a newbie class people didnt like it because it takes them out of it oh well we wanna fix something but not go all in because then it affects more than just what some want fixed.


Are you using a treo? An amp regular people cant buy lol. I still dunno why you dont swipe up a pd2k
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:10 am

And it was never specifically about any single amp it was about that you have to buy a 500 watt amp to fit our classes
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:06 am

Well its 0-600 of course you need an amp up to 600 watts you silly
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:07 am

Probly because ive never been a db drive type of guy
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:09 am

Pf 600.1 !
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:38 am

sanman wrote:
his number with the dc was also better than most in that class as well

the d5 will not win this class this year an older amp will just to prove a point

so your saying you are going to win with a stock non modified non you cant purchase the special treo 4.1 amp is that what you are saying.btw how old is this so called amp.let me guess those modded 200.1s,my point is no amp you run is going to be stock.
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:06 pm

I started with a PD2000 and 2 batts 157.5......then PF600 same set up 14.7 158.5...the the DC which was the same...but my big gain was CAPs.....then the D5 with LVL 5s and more caps....my best number came with a D5 and 28 Maxwell Caps and a Batcap 400 with Lvl 5 subs.....i also tried a DB 3500.1 on the sameset up best score was 161.5....so the D5 was the strongest....i was about to test a Treo 4.1but never got around to it....kind of lost intreset in all of it
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:09 pm

where do you get your information at modded amps wtf

i always had off the shelf amps, and this must piss you off because you could never catch up

200.1's would take 20v from BOB he tests them like this at 1 ohm thats what he always told me anywyas

christoph sent me 600.1's that wouldnt run 18v so the protection was clipped (theres the mod)

4.1 i only used 1 time from chopper (thanx man)

z2's 18v .25 burps out the gate

3250's 18v .25 burps out the gate

ia 20.1's strapped at .22 on 18v for rolls

mmats blow no matter what you do to that peice of Dung Pile

ab xd3000 18v out the box

ab 100.1 18v out the box

d5's .22 18v roll

aq 3500's .5 each 18v roll

ab 400.1's 18v .25

ab 500.1 .25 18v roll

rd d9's .5 18v roll

there was another amp i used that i had that worked .25 16.9v roll cant think of name

m3 .25 14.7v roll
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:16 am

Damn I wish SQ had all these problems on classes and what amps to run or not run. Lol. We can't even get any results posted up. Geeeez. And almost been two weeks too. WTF?
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:31 am

LOL, the spl guys got lucky with Jennisa... otherwise they wouldnt be posted still either.
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:41 am

there was another amp i used that i had that worked .25 16.9v roll cant think of name

these were hk3000's
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:25 am

I liked those amps
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:45 am

I didnt because they would come on and not play until the voltage dropped to 16.9 then scare the Dung Pile out of me
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PostSubject: Re: PLEASE READ!!   Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:42 am

I have to say I 100% disagree with Terry on this one. I don't believe any rule or formate change will fix the sport of car audio. I believe its all has to do with promotions. Look at the UFC before Danna go ahold of it they promoted the show. Now after many successful years later you see its better to promote the athlete not the sport. When you promote a person over the sport people will pay to see them in action. Unlike car audio is today the only people you see at the show are the competitors. No audience to play for at all. No ticket sales No manufacture support and the list goes on. No money coming in = no money going out.
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