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PostSubject: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:13 pm

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So we are doing this unified finals thing again right? in KC right?
ive known it for a long time, but the unified thing this weekend really brought it to my mind. Usaci has no place for these guys in other orgs to come play. nearly every db drag car would probly be in 1801+ or mod 4000+ . whats the point of having a shared finals if competitors cant runs the orgs that are there. i think clamped times are coming anyway, but i think with how we are planning on doing finals might be a good chance to start working on them sooner and snag up some more finals entrys. i know usaci has been working to build back up the midwest.. where MWSPL and DB Drag are pretty popular.. and our finals will be in the midwest this year again.. so why wouldnt we want some of them to run usaci while they are there?? plus i think some classes that done require the special 500w@4ohm ap of the season are definitly a plus. mwspl and db drag both have a under 4000w clamped trunk class as well as a 2000w and believe 4000w and under stock type class. not saying change all our classes just yet. but why not maybe lose trunk 0-1 and replace it with the 4k and under class.. and maybe add in a 2000w and 4000w clamped stock class. real stock.. panels in etc. i think there is finals entrys to be snagged up here as well as introducing usaci to clamping classes. people love clamping classes 100000 times more than being forced to buy a RD d5 to be competitive.

here is the meter that drag used this weekend.. and will be the standard. it shows the wattage plain as day.. no math for anyone to do.. just "3600w"
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:00 pm

bojangles wrote:
scionsoloxb wrote:
Team Performance Audio
USACI Outlaw World Record SB2 --- 158.4 db
USACI Outlaw World Record SB3 --- 159.2 db
USACI B & K World Record SB3 --- 158.4 db
2012 USACI World Finals SB3 - World Champion
2011 USACI World Finals SB3 - World Champion
2010 USACI World Finals SB2 - World Champion
2009 USACI World Finals SB1 - 2nd place

damn i just now noticed your really racking up a nice list of wins there bo. whats the plans for 2013? going to hold down sb3 one more time?

2013 USACI World Finals SB4 - 2nd place


1. tamu
2. josh
3. bo scratch lol! lol! lol! thats cool. i always said ppl should defend there title one time and then move on.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:30 pm

Oh. I forgot about TAMU. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:34 pm

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but yet companies keep on putting out usaci specials dont they

2 companies ...
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:36 pm

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Not to be mean but do people really think there will be any kind of finals next year as we know them???? from a little birdie in more than one org.

I really hate all of these "little birdie" or insider info comments. Why don't you people just share what you know?

It's retarded.
cause there is no real info
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:49 pm

ab
treo
rd
db
crossfire
mmats
b2


thats alot more than 2
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:39 pm

Alan wrote:
TaylorFade wrote:
KimboSlice2 wrote:
Not to be mean but do people really think there will be any kind of finals next year as we know them???? from a little birdie in more than one org.

I really hate all of these "little birdie" or insider info comments. Why don't you people just share what you know?

It's retarded.
cause there is no real info
2013 CES we will see or won't see.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:32 am

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ab
treo
rd
db
crossfire
mmats
b2


thats alot more than 2

b2 is the only one new since maybe 2009? i dont think the crossfire is really in that class.. and db drive dont have anything either... you just are naming under 500w@4ohm amps. not competitive ones regardless.. i said i do think the 4 ohm classes are dumb.. but THATS NOT WHAT IM ASKING ABOUT HERE...not sure why it keeps going there. i dont see why everyone is so resistant to something thats proving itself that it works and fighting for something thats dieing now.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:08 am

a 2000w and a 4000w clamped trunk class with stock type classes would be awesome.. way better then how we have them now...its hard for a trunk guy to have to get D5s or D9 just to run in 0-1000 with the big dogs...most of the people around here dont even have that much in all there amps...if a clamped class was ran i think more people would get into it...
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:51 am

the problem will be it will start in trunk then people will cry they want it in all classes

the next thing you know we have an extention of MWSPL and everything will mirror there classes.



every year we wanna change this or that do i think a slight restructure needs to be done well yah, but ther are alot of other thing that need it first
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:27 am

Yeah. Everyone wanting to change all the classes would be so horrible. Lol we should just keep catering to the 6 people who still own d5s. Look.. im not saying change every class.. yet. Im.saying introduce 2 new classes. If they fail oh well. We been offering the same classes for 2 people to show up for the past 5 years. So if 3 people per class showed up it technically would be as successful as what we currently have. Unique classes are cool if people actually bought for them. But theres other orgs and competitors out there who cant do jack in usaci because of class structure. Now if everyone wants to be so resistant to change, then so be it. But usaci wont grow without changing with thr times and whats obviously working....



As for just a simple restructuring.. sure. Simply lose 4ohm and use max rms. You will maybe have a few "cheater " style.. but you open the doors wiiiiide for other eqpt and competitors.



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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:19 pm

I think clamped power would be a good thing and I own 2 d5's.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:57 pm

So instead of the people in the other orgs adjusting for this one or maybe you changing your setup to go play with them lets just change our classes to intice them over. That solves nothing at all man ill call Cow poopy where i see it and thats what i think this is exactly. And why is your dick so hard over the d5's ill tell you this you cant just drop in the d5 and win a class
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:40 pm

This has zero to do with me. I run unlimited with amps that kill any RD amp out... so im solving nothing.. but your idea that you SHOULD have to buy 500w amps to run usacu does? Ok man. Its funny you all the sudden turn this to sound as if i want to benefit myself. My amp sponsorship has no benefits in a clamp class. I dont even want to run it. But i understand why you feel like you do. See it effects you since you wanna run 0-6 this year. So whos looking out for themselves?? Again if anyonewould very simply read. I said 500w classes suck.. yes. But.. BUT i never said replace them with clamps. I said add 2 classes that work. If we get 5 db drag guys and 5 mwspl guys.. thats half the TOTAL we had at finals.. as for dropping in a d5.. no one said that. I said you dont stand a chance without one.


Why do you need to start talking ignorant and make the thread so shitty
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:27 pm

Is attendance down or not? Not just at finals; but across the board.

If it is (and I suspect it is), then how do you (or Ralph) expect to increase it? By doing the same thing? Umm... No. That's not how you garner interest and spur growth. You have to change. Adapt. Ask/look/see what people want and/or what's working.

Alan gains absolutely nothing by clamped power classes. He's asserted his dominance. The only benefit he sees from a crossover class or to entice other org's competitors is to span the gaps between the different org's classes and compete against the very best anyone has to offer. I'd think all of our top competitors would want the same shot.

The simple fact is that to the rest of the SPL world... USACi is a joke. The D5 rules the roost and outlaw metering, while I love it, warrants absolutley no respect outside of USACi. Now, I am in no way suggesting we lose our metering style. I, Alan and others are suggesting we give some other org's competitors a little taste of how much fun it can be. And the only way to do that is to open up a crossover class or two.

No one... and I mean no one outside of USACi could give two sh!ts about a 4ohm rating. I happen to think the D5 is one of, if not the best amp I've ever used. But you don't see them outside of USACi. You ever wonder why?

I saw a couple CRX's at finals. I talked with them about their setups and what kind of numbers they were doing. Where they were in the standings, blah blah. I thought to myself... "Chad would crush this dude." But he'll never get the chance to prove it unless he ditched his entire affiliation with USACi. The guy who won his class in Drag (whatever class it was) wanted to borrow my globe to do some outlaw testing "just to see." He had an AB 1100.1 and was clampng way more than I do. My weak sauce setup was still louder than him outlaw. That example isn't to toot my own horn; it's to illustrate that I'd like our immensely talented and hard working competitors the opportunity to put a smack down on the rest of the world.

All of this isn't to get catered to. It's to open Dung Pile up. Let's invite the rest of the world to come play in USACi and let the chips fall where they may.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:01 pm

Clamped average power is good for the sport ,but that's just my opinion , no matter what the rules are I can adjust but one thing for sure ,,no matter WHAT Org ...new competitors will follow classes that progress an affordable playing field
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:10 pm

Terry Brocks wrote:
Clamped average power is good for the sport ...

Terry Brocks wrote:
an affordable playing field

Bingo!
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:10 pm

I happen to think the D5 is one of, if not the best amp I've ever used. But you don't see them outside of USACi. You ever wonder why?

yes i know why because in drag other than the new street stock classes they need balls to the wall amps that do max power at like 2-1 ohms , and this isnt the d5 the d5 has to be ran low, and a bit dirty so no its not an amp fo the all out classes or the little clamped ones either.


some of you guys like to think people forget things, and i tend not to

chrissy boyd(loud and clear) ruled 0-600 stock, and superstock, and to be honest still would with a treo 4.1, and a pf600.1. they used both amps for those classes mearly pulling one out and adding the other. there car had more in it and thats a fact they never showed the full potential as you can see i didnt mention a d5 in that sentence anywhere. we will never well some of yall will never know exactly what they had in the crx because they quit.

the cross over class is a good idea, but unrealistic due to the fact that most wont get points to run it, and just like in drag where our guys couldnt run theres without points we should also not allow anyone to do the same thing unless they are qualified for the class.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:11 pm

the other reasons are the deadner, and the wya they buld for sealed scores this alone will never allow them to run drag and simply open the door to be competitive
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:19 pm

Yeah. So fuuck it. Let's stay in the stone age cause sanman.. who ventures no where outside this forim.says its the best way.

You didnt mention the d5 and L&C.. so what. You mentioned 1 of the few amps you must have. As for points and deadener.. now your grasping for straws huh?

AGAIN WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS??. This is to bring NEW classee.. mot replace the beloved by 4 people 500w classes
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:32 pm

Lose the current stock and super stock classes. Make it stock and super stock 0-1k and 1k+.

That eliminates 2 power classes. Now add a 2k clamped and 4k clamped.

Same number of classes but with another option.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:49 pm

ss was made for pro's and no walla builds to compete in


this was to inspire drag guys to run in usaci


lets keep changing and addidng classes untill they work out is that the formula alan


dont you guys have drag down south why didnt you get points to run drag at finals. I mean terry came over to run against you so why didnt you go and try it his way to see how it would pan out.


are you a rep for tantric, and if so why arent you in ss instead of trunk. I know fish is a rep for RD,B2 now and its ok for you guys to run trunk??????
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:50 pm

like i said there is other things that need to be fixed first
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:52 pm

as for the guys that laugh at usaci well they sure aint in a hurry to get itno the lanes.

Taylor you did your number man but emagine what they would have thought if the heavy hitters were to have been there doing the numbers capable in that class.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:03 pm

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ss was made for pro's and no walla builds to compete in


this was to inspire drag guys to run in usaci


lets keep changing and addidng classes untill they work out is that the formula alan


dont you guys have drag down south why didnt you get points to run drag at finals. I mean terry came over to run against you so why didnt you go and try it his way to see how it would pan out.


are you a rep for tantric, and if so why arent you in ss instead of trunk. I know fish is a rep for RD,B2 now and its ok for you guys to run trunk??????

No we dont have drag at all. So please dont insinuate that i was scared to do it.
But is that your fix " go run drag".. thats definitely a way to bring usaci back up huh man.


As for tantric. Trunk is not a amateur/ pro class. So im not sure what thats about. Is trunksupposed to be some beginner class to you? Is that why you tried it?
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:08 pm

Trunk is open to pro
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:17 pm

so now we can udnerstand the low turn out in it then huh

a pro in a class with average consumers trying to keep up
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:19 pm

now my input for the proposed change

0-1000 clamped
1001+

still needs to be 2 classes in trunk
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:28 pm

Ralph did say at finals we will be going to 12 classes. Loosing one street beat and one trunk and one at each end of the other classes
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:29 pm

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