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PostSubject: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:13 pm

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So we are doing this unified finals thing again right? in KC right?
ive known it for a long time, but the unified thing this weekend really brought it to my mind. Usaci has no place for these guys in other orgs to come play. nearly every db drag car would probly be in 1801+ or mod 4000+ . whats the point of having a shared finals if competitors cant runs the orgs that are there. i think clamped times are coming anyway, but i think with how we are planning on doing finals might be a good chance to start working on them sooner and snag up some more finals entrys. i know usaci has been working to build back up the midwest.. where MWSPL and DB Drag are pretty popular.. and our finals will be in the midwest this year again.. so why wouldnt we want some of them to run usaci while they are there?? plus i think some classes that done require the special 500w@4ohm ap of the season are definitly a plus. mwspl and db drag both have a under 4000w clamped trunk class as well as a 2000w and believe 4000w and under stock type class. not saying change all our classes just yet. but why not maybe lose trunk 0-1 and replace it with the 4k and under class.. and maybe add in a 2000w and 4000w clamped stock class. real stock.. panels in etc. i think there is finals entrys to be snagged up here as well as introducing usaci to clamping classes. people love clamping classes 100000 times more than being forced to buy a RD d5 to be competitive.

here is the meter that drag used this weekend.. and will be the standard. it shows the wattage plain as day.. no math for anyone to do.. just "3600w"
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:12 pm

If it dont happen the as i friggin said so be it. Its not like anyone is showing any fucks given to better the org in the past few years. Why start now.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:16 pm

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nope im not affiliated with usaci in anyway other than a competitor


i dont like how you think you can make decisions to bring in 2-3 classes when you should be asking for 1 to see how it goes then try to add more




You dont have to like it. Your welcome to go suck a dick elseware.. i never said i an make a decision to bring a class. But what i did was bring up a discussion o wjat we can change to make it grow and possiblly a better org. Unlike you who fills usaci With your negative Cow poopy constantly bringing it down man. Open your mind a little man. Your so nartow minded about Dung Pile its unreal.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:17 pm

you missed the part where i said as soon as they realized they are still out gunned and wont win a title they will tuck there fornicating tail and run again


its no differant pwople wanted street beat well some were instantly loud in it most said ahh fornicate this Dung Pile

we wanted trunk the only one sticking with it not affiliated with a company is SUPADAVE and i give him props for chasing personal goals rather than a title

people want assurance they will gwt that title, and well its never going to be that ezzzzzz
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:18 pm

we can change to make it grow and possiblly a better org


can you garauntee this read my above reply first
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:21 pm

No.. no i cant garantee it jeff! But i can try. I can speak out my opinions as a 10+ yr paying member of this organization man. I talk to ALOT .. a frigging ton of people. And alot of whst i say is real stuff i hear and bring up for others so to speak. Theres alot more going on in.audio than whats on this forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:29 pm

correct never said there wasnt

we have added classes to watch them dwindle like i said when people feel they cant win they tuck tail and run

people want a sure thing for the money they spend or they tuck tail and run

this seems to be the way of the new blood so to speak they want it all handed to them without paying for it and that just doesnt exist.

i have talked to alot of people about sdime, and instead of listening they did there own thing just to fail not my fault they just didnt lsiten

ryan/josh told people how to do things in street beat only to watch them not lsiten and fail


we have alot of lazy ass people in this sport that want to be on the big stage getting a huge trophy and only want to spend 800 bux total lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:37 pm

Your 100% right. But as a business you do what it takes. Do you think a store at the mall wont sell skinny jeans cause they are frigging gay? Hell no. If thats what these kids want then they provide it. And if people want pussy 1000w 140db classes then give to them. Hardcores will just slowly have to end up in the same higher up classes.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:49 pm

not to sure where you keep missing this man

you also dont go all in and totally restructure thats like a company putting all its money into an amp and just shipping it right out to competitors to only find out they blow at turn on. you doa beta class and see how it goes and from there you add more or you kill it.

2-3 classes is a waiste right off the get go. now out of the new clamp class you will have so much veteran influence into it pr people from MWSPL running it you are still going to discourage the "new blood" off with the numbers that will be done
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:51 pm

I say do the beta test in trunk. Like Jeff said, people will instantly get loud and others will get discouraged. Not that there won't be certain people (like Alan) that would dominate, but trunk is probably the most level playing field. And you wouldn't have to outlaw CRX's. Lol.

Loud people will continue to be loud. This is true. But the real heavy hitters would get so bored with such a small power class. They probably wouldn't even bother.

I hear you, Jeff on all of your ideas of what needs to be fixed. And I agree with most of it. But you're old school, man. These kids nowadays ain't old school. Thy want it fast, cheap and easy. And if usaci wants to grow and keep up with the times, they need to be flexible and open to new ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:55 pm

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not to sure where you keep missing this man

you also dont go all in and totally restructure thats like a company putting all its money into an amp and just shipping it right out to competitors to only find out they blow at turn on. you doa beta class and see how it goes and from there you add more or you kill it.

2-3 classes is a waiste right off the get go. now out of the new clamp class you will have so much veteran influence into it pr people from MWSPL running it you are still going to discourage the "new blood" off with the numbers that will be done

I never said to do a restructured format right now or ever. I said more than jist one because i was thinking a trunk and 1 stock class because thats what i saw in the other org. Each class had 5+ people.. 10+ total.. which those 2 classes alone is half wjat usaci had in all its classes.. so they may not be the answer. But possibly on track.. .
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:11 pm

you cant grow a flower from a flower you have to have a seed

you plant the seed and see if it grows and if it dont you dig it up and throw it away.


i just read Terry's thoughts, and they look pretty damm close to what i said 5 years ago that people wanted to laugh at kinda funny how things come back around full circle.

yall need a prostock trunk class to play in and since your pro's it should be unlimited.
stock classes should be just that all panels in,no mods forward the bpiller,no deadner, and all headrests, batts need to be autopart store batts. this will help grow classes.14.5v cap
0-1500/1 amp/1batt
1501-3000/2 amps/2 batts
3000+---unlited

ss=same rules but still open to pro's/panels pulled below window lines/car audio based batts, and caps/18v cap/unlmts batts and caps


these are the classes that pay the bills this is why they are the ones that need changed.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:15 pm

Sounds great.. i said all that stuff many times over as well.. hopefully not 4ohm numbers?
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:19 pm

there is no way to regulate amps excpet by the number of amps you use and then your fornicating people because the biggest ones you can get will be in
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:21 pm

Its crazy to me that 10 pages of arguing that changing is bad 4 ohm classes rule. Terry posts and now all the sudden we need a change and it was your idea 5 years ago


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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:22 pm

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there is no way to regulate amps excpet by the number of amps you use and then your fornicating people because the biggest ones you can get will be in

I dont agree that only # of amps will work either . I think highest output @class voltage and # of amps. And usaci needs to very simply say BS that amp is 5000w not 2000w
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:23 pm

I agree with all of that except the no deadener and generic batt stuff. After all, this is still Bout car audio and that's what "daily" enthusiasts will already have in their ride. Or want to.

Where do you draw the line between "pro" and everybody else? Because that line has been gray ( and stepped over, side skirted, denied) for a long ass time.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:23 pm

nono man had nothing to do with that really

change is good but you have to either do it in the smallest class or add a new one to test it on

me and terry luv each like like me and you do as well lol
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:25 pm

pro should have a year cap 2 years and out of stock and into pro


stock should be just that stock man nothing more nothing less it makes it affordable for all


the companies can make there money in ss with the batts and such
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:28 pm

Every joe blow around town has a kenetic and some deadener.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:30 pm

see this aint stock anymore and why are we worried about deadner and a overly priced battery in the lowest class

thought it was about affordability
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:44 pm

You mean just one class are in all stock? I wouldn't think 1 aftermarket battery andvsome sound dedener would be to crazy cost minded
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:47 pm

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see this aint stock anymore and why are we worried about deadner and a overly priced battery in the lowest class

thought it was about affordability

The point is that a crap ton of people would have to PULL deadener and go buy some BS batt to run that class. There aren't any gigantic advantages to either anyway.

Stock should be OEM alt, charging and regulator. Stock location batt.

Affordability is not having to have a $1k amp. Not nitpicky Dung Pile like an O'Reillys batt and no deadener.
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:49 pm

if they already have that stuff they can go to ss man

STOCK means stock period all you do is drop in a box/subs/amps


ss is where you go if you want aftermarket batts/deadner/mods to the car



see im on bord with what you guys are saying and now your not liking it lol
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:52 pm

We are talking. Not "not liking ". You gave an opinion ours is like taylor said dont need to be down to the nitty gritty "stock" id call stock more so should be based around average joe setups. Modt new guys do already have a new battery
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:54 pm

Might as well toss everyone with aftermarket speakers in SS too. Or amps. Or wire. Or HU.

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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:57 pm

this is a entry level class to prepare them for the enxt level they need to learn to get loud with the bare minimum so when they get into ss they already ahve it all down.

deadner isnt needed excpet to increase score/kenetik isnt needed excpet to sustain more voltage to well increase score.

stock means stock man im not really buying anything other than a stock vehicle for a "stock" class
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:59 pm

look man yallw anted fare/affordable classes for all this is what i propose, but now its not kool because its handicapping people on how far they can go lol.

so what was the alterior motive exactly.

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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:02 pm

Yeah but guys buy a small pack of dynamat to quite a rattle on his hatch or make his door speaker sound better etc. And with 1500w + most daily systems will have a aftermarket battrry. It just needs to be readily available
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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:05 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Just thinking. dont shoot me lol   Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:06 pm

You always think theres a hidden agenda man lol. Its not. Its just being real with whats out there
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