ok this is meant to be positive ..i spoke to a few judges at finals , we have said we dont have a maeting at finals , well even if we did what good would it do at finals , how about each region or state or whatever , has a meeting , list it as or at a show , or have directors/judges contact shops or teams and have a lunch with some of us soon to get things done asap foe this season .
example; NOT starting anything but with my suggestion that i think most have read ......... we liked the time slots , show went faster , if on saturday you know you are having problems and your five minutes to fix cant do it you must run before end of show on saturday , if not im sorry but you do have all year.
sundays reruns must have run on saturday first. There will always be what ifs and break downs, so a weak or so before finals pick a few competitors that every one says yes to, i trust so and so and if the unexpected comes up its up to the chosen to decide not a judge or ralph as they are already busy enough , they dont need to be put on the spot. i am sure it is hard to make a on the spot decision , so lets help out . What you think? more ideas please.

so 32 read this and no one has anything to add , we "Female dog" about this and that but thats it.

I like the idea that you sould have to run on Sat. and that if you didnt you cant rerun on sunday.

Time slots: I agree. The application of dealing with "what if's" may need a little tweaking but overall, it was awesome.

Re-runs should be exactly that, re-reuns, not first time runs a day after you couldn't make it. I know that there are sometimes circumstances beyond our control, sometimes called "sh!t happens", but there's also the issue of fairness to the competitors that complied with the criteria.

Breakdowns happen. That again falls under the "sh!t happens" category. Happens to everyone at one time or another. I am always sympathetic but we can't run the race over or a day later because your wheels fell off.

Taz, your post was very positive in attitude and on behalf of USACi, I appreciated reading it. On the other hand, it's difficult to not get discouraged by the lack of interest or responses exhibited by your fellow competitors. Just remember that in almost every organization, 90% of the work and decision making is done by less than 10% of the membership.

Good luck this season.

all stated comments are very true...

Lack of response could be a result of lack of action on other areas that people have inquired about. But its not important here. What is important is learning from what works re applying it, and taking what dosent work and fixing it.

Time slots were wonderful IMHO. This was the smoothest ran finals of all that I have attended. I do thing Mike is right and that the what ifs need to be discussed. I was one that didnt run at all on Saturday, and paid to re run on sunday. Obviously I couldnt run. Taz you seen my mess, haha. I feel it would have been wrong to tell me that I couldnt run on sunday. I do think that there need to be guidelines. In the building by here, or no go. Registered and class pikced by this time or no go. So on so forth. And the judges use there discression for other situations. I also think when these arise there should be a small panel judges and competitors to make the decesion so that its a consensus.


As far as member meeting goes, this SHOULD be held at finals. I say after saturdays runs, and before the after party. Screw the party if its a conflict. The ORG and its competitors are more important. There are lots of things that could be quicky discussed and resolved with the competing body there present. These are the ones that made the hike. Yes there are some not present. and the judges and committee can represent the over all consensus from the regions. SO it will be covered. This should be a top priority.
I would like to see any rule changes and and rules over all out by jan 15 of 2010

I also think that any letter sent to rules and ethics should be put on the forum, leaving the sender blank. so that others can see what is being discussed and have a oppt to share there opinon. As well as the final result posted for all to see, other than just the sender.

I also think the competitors should have a committee. There was one, began to be effective but it fell apart when I had all my Crap happen. I would be willing to help with this again. with a revamped committed of some of this 10% that you speak of mike. I think that committee should be actively involved in rules and ethics with decessions made. Help with input on rules clarifications, so on and so forth. We have got to figure out how to get this thing back..

Obviously 40k in advertising didnt do it. There are enough people in this org that we can do it. What about a spectator poll... You charge admission, offer a 2 dollar refund or something when they leave the show if they take 5 mins to feel out a poll. What you liked, what you didnt like, would you pay to come again next yr. what would you like to see more of, where vehicles open for you to see, so on and so forth.
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Im willing to be part of the soloution.

I think time slots were a great idea....but they need to be stuck to....if you can't make it, you are DQ, period....no rerun. You had all year to make sure your stuff was ready for the big show. Finals is not the time to be working on your vehicles, it's the time for it to be opened up with your best PR smile on for the spectators that DO show up and have questions.

while i do agree, with you eric. people have failures, and if they happen it will be here, as this is where you push it, In my case my alt went out on the way down. didnt know it was drawing from my batts, causing my voltage to drop extremly low during system operation, causing amps to clip and burning up coils. I think it would suck to have been not able to run. but if thats what they decide then thats it. Im good, I will just buy more spairs.

I for one liked the time slots and i completely agree about the SAT or NOTHING RULE.. But sorry other than that i dont know what to say about it so like my momma said if i dont have anything good to say well then.....


PEACE OUT GUYS.... I hope it gets figured out... Sometimes our organization is kinda like a freaking woman..... Just blows

but jimbo explain more

do you feel run sat or not at all? no matter if your there or not? or ?

Its all good convo

ahhh, I see, I've been the victim of the powermaster internal regulator as well.....had two go on the same vehicle before I had Ohio fix them. I see what you are saying, but the failures SHOULD come in the lanes....which means that you had ran, which would make you eligible for a RErun. The problem is that everyone sits in their pitstall and thinks that they are going to find another db at the big show they should have already been prepared for. So yeah, there will be failures when people are burping their cars full tilt all day long in the pit stall....

I see your point now...

and your right. I was not only trying to fix mine, but trying to find more in it.

So i could have pushed it to the lanes and done basically nothing? but been there and attempted? then re ran...

i opted to go talk to judge explained whats up, and then paid for re run to do on sunday.

on the flip side the vehicle was WIDE open all weekend, and I took time to talk to everyone that wanted to even with the problems. As i agree very much with you as that is what we should be doing.

Yep i said i agree on the Sat or nothing at all rule.... I would ride that wave to the end. Sorry not very constructive today thats why mine was short... Ill always be there no worries there but yes im very very stongly for if you not there and put up even a weak sauce number on saturday then unless your dead your disqaulified and either way ya loose but thats the breaks..... This can be a very good discution fo sho.....

I could go with that, I mean you already intend on paying for a re run. So go to the lanes with whatever you have turn it on if it works fine, if it dont fine. What it like in my case I pushed it to the lanes and the score was 000.000 but I went up, and ran my time slot. Just couldt get it on for whatever reasons. Just a area I think you wuold want to address now instead of later.

And i know if that would have been the rule you would have put up a small nmber just to get bye bro.... Thats not what im saying i just agre with yalll basically.... Ohhhhhh and women suck

o no, i didnt take it bad, I was just asking, what do you do.

just needs to be clear, SYSTEM MUST POST A SCORE on saturday period. to be elgible for re run on sunday.

ALso I dont think you should be able to REGISTER for any classes on sunday. Only re runs. No sitting back and seeing if you wanna do something else. You want a crack at it, pre register or sat morning by !0am or something.

VERY MUCH AGREEED........ TOOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH...

agreed.....that would fall into same rule dont run saturday , no rerun sunday.

keep them coming

i thought in the past it was run saturday or no run sunday. last year at finals i was having MAJOR issues as most of you know. i pushed my truck to the lanes did a stupid low score to post a score pushed it back and got back to work. i thought that is how it worked. I agree preregister by 10 sat and run or no sunday sorry bout your luck. I also think if you havnt checked in pre register or not by 10 sat no run period. if you have flats or mechanical failure on your vehicle and cant make it to the hall by 10am sat then you shoulda left earlier friday or thursday if thats what it takes. if your car is a pos and your driving it to finals leave monday if you think it might blow up. but i did like the time slots only 45 min behind on saturday that Dung Pile rocked. usualy on saturday finals is like 6 hours behind.