DDM3 Protest Results

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I for one love seeing the results in this format published for us to see

thanx Ralphy pooooooh
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Good job on the heads up protest, and results and senarios.

Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 7:08 pm

Bruce...We need to make a sticky of who the regional reps are. There are still some peole out there that don't even realize we have a competitors committee to take on issues for them. study

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Before I say anything I want it known that no one on our team has ran or planned to run an M3 this season, so I don't want anyone saying I'm commenting on this subject because it directly effects me. Got it LOL

Tech114 said it best...people spend there hard earned money on this sport for what....to find out ther fricken 1000 dollar amp is no good anymore????? This needs to stop...period..before everyone gets smart and quits because they can't afford it anymore. Ralph, you seriously need to figure out a way to stop the money wasting, in order for USACI or any other organization to grow it has to be competitor friendly...in other words.. not a waste of money. I mean competitors trust a rating to be correct, they shouldn't have to worry about not wasting there money because some lab somewhere tested there amp and oops our results say it's 50 watts over....sorry kid... your screwed. This is rediculous.
I do a ton of testing and I know for sure there are atleast 3 other amps out there that are certified that are stronger on 4 ohm than the M3. If you'd like I can get a video of it and show you all....same subs same batts, same cd player everything. The M3 got protested because it is strong at low ohm loads and won at finals...not because it is strong at 4 ohm because it is not. The problem has been and always will be the way the power classes are set up. The classes themselves are fine...love em actually.. it's how the power rating of the amps is applied to the classes that is flawed. This issue needs addressed and solved soon.
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I also gotta agree that if some amps where tested and given a 30% tolerance they need to be retested at 20%...but man what a fricken mess that will be. How in the world are you going to get ahold of all those amps and get them retested? And what if an amp that WAS USACI certified now fails...and a bunch of competitors may have gone and bought those amps and are using them in the confidense that they wouldn't have to worry about them ever being in question? Then what? Tell them all..."oops sorry guess you have to go buy another amp" my bad. This opens up a huge can o' worms.
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Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 7:21 pm

Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 7:23 pm

i still think usaci is da $hit.....lol
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lol wow what prg cant you turn it up in i thought they were all about being the loudest
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Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 8:58 pm

Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 pm

So how manyand what amps got protested with the 30% rule?
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Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 9:06 pm

All from the years prior to 07
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Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 9:09 pm

Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Thu May 15, 2008 9:11 pm

PD 2000 3 times
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crossfire ??
ohhhhhhh gesh it was a few more dammit. Hmmmm i dont know what tha fizzzzzzzzzzuck. Not sure what the fix would be.
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Turning it all the way up on amps that end up getting rerated is getting old tho. I don't have the perfect solultion for it but there has to be something better. I honestly am only upset because I hate to see consumers waste there very hard earned money. The M3 for example... I spoke with Steve directly on the amp way back when they first came out. He provided me with there bench test data and all looked (and still does ) look good. I told him that I did not want to be selling amps that would end up being paperweights. I didn't want to sell the amps to my customers and feel guilty later. Bruce was one of those customers... he can attest to the fact that the amps SHOULD be legit. Anyway whether or not the amp is legit is not my point. USACI must come up with a system that does not continue to have the possiblility of wasting consumers money.
How many people do you think feel totally ripped off from buying used amps from fellow competitors that sold there's earlier in the year??? It was not intentional but I'm sure the people that bought them didn't think they'd be in question later or they wouldn't have bought them . There is also the issue of finals being won with a rerated amp, records set with rerated amps etc.
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I do feel this amp to be legit for the class. I think after its all said and done, we can come up with a way that suits everyone. and works for the better of the consumer and the org.