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TAMU
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|  Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results  Fri May 16, 2008 12:02 pm | |
| | sanman wrote: | | the main issue is 20% instead of 30% there tammy |
i know where that 2700 to 2400 change came from anyway.
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bumpin s-10
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 12:16 pm | |
| The change was because they felt there amp would be totally legit for the class if ever protested...and it still may be. I say redo the test correctly, call Steve and get an explanation of documentation. And if it passes fine...if it don't fine...but do the test right and do it at 14.4 at 30% like in the past. Whatever happens happens
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TAMU
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 12:24 pm | |
| | bumpin s-10 wrote: | | The change was because they felt there amp would be totally legit for the class if ever protested...and it still may be. I say redo the test correctly, call Steve and get an explanation of documentation. And if it passes fine...if it don't fine...but do the test right and do it at 14.4 at 30% like in the past. Whatever happens happens |
i am going to disagree with you on that one chris,i really know where that change came from and it wasent from them thinking it would pass a test.i am not bashing anyone as i have used dd products since 1999,fact is i know why that change came about,but until the real party comes cleaN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
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bumpin s-10
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 12:30 pm | |
| You act as tho there is some big secret....DD had conflicting output numbers @ 1ohm on some forums and on there website. This was in the very early release of the product. They were asked what the amp truly did at 4 ohm...it happened to fit USACI's format and that was that. Now the protest was done at a different voltage than required and at a tolerance that past amps have not been tested against. I would say it will be interesting to see how it fairs at the right voltage and tolerance of 30%. IF it still doesn't pass I would say it would be just barely. So if DD was truly trying to pull a fast one do you think they'd do it so that the amp missed by 5 watts or something....doubt it. Again the amp wasn't even intended to be in the spl lanes...i was after the fact that the amps where found to be good for 0-600.
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TAMU
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 12:36 pm | |
| WOULD IT HELP IF I TOLD YOU WHO MADE THE PHONE CALL.
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 12:37 pm | |
| YES IT WOULD....... Tell us fool.
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 1:06 pm | |
| I think it may, but it may also make things worse.
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TAMU
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 1:17 pm | |
| | Moparbass28 wrote: | | I think it may, but it may also make things worse. |
THATS WHAT I KNOW.
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bumpin s-10
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 1:25 pm | |
| Just got off the phone with Steve at Digital Designs...very interesting conversation. Anyway, they have called the USACI office and spoke with Mike D. They are patiently waiting for a return call from Ralph. If any of you question DD's intent for the M3 feel free to give them a call...there number is on the website. After speaking to them about there intentions for any of there products I think some people's views may change....we'll maybe not..some of us competitors have a very distorted thought process about what these companies are in business for. Some think that competive orgs make them money....actually the opposite is true. Competitors are always looking for a deal, cheapest price and most powerful amp. Consumer purchases are where the money is not us competitors.
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 2:38 pm | |
| | bumpin s-10 wrote: | | ..some of us competitors have a very distorted thought process about what these companies are in business for. Some think that competive orgs make them money....actually the opposite is true. Competitors are always looking for a deal, cheapest price and most powerful amp. Consumer purchases are where the money is not us competitors. |
amen, this is why ours is consumer rated at 2 ohm.....simple, street power. |
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Tim Schaffer
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 4:10 pm | |
| damn go to work and wet from 4 to 12 wow but I will say this none of us run amps @4ohm the company rated it 2400@1ohm witch is legal and the test shows less than 2100w @1ohm even at 14.4 it wont go over 2400w so did it pass dds rating??????
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 4:21 pm | |
| | bumpin s-10 wrote: | | Just got off the phone with Steve at Digital Designs...very interesting conversation. Anyway, they have called the USACI office and spoke with Mike D. They are patiently waiting for a return call from Ralph. If any of you question DD's intent for the M3 feel free to give them a call...there number is on the website. After speaking to them about there intentions for any of there products I think some people's views may change....we'll maybe not..some of us competitors have a very distorted thought process about what these companies are in business for. Some think that competive orgs make them money....actually the opposite is true. Competitors are always looking for a deal, cheapest price and most powerful amp. Consumer purchases are where the money is not us competitors. |
I have to dissagree with you Chris. The organizations promote car audio, competition, and the industry through the events. Perhaps a few competitors cost the manufacturers money in the short run but sound off events keep car audio out there and help to grown interest and sales. Imagine no more sound comps ever!.
Consumer sales ARE where the money is. A good number of those consumers get the car audio bug from seeing events, talking to friends who compete, and talking to retailers who are excited about this industry.
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 4:56 pm | |
| Absolutely,
Cris, how many subs and amplifiers do you think DD sells because they've won in the lanes.....
To think that a company is unaware of the benefits that come with world titles being won with their equipment is just naive.
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 4:59 pm | |
| this is cheap advertisement when people run equipment for manufactorors now that that is said Chris noone said they made the amp th cheat people in the lanes they did make an error in judgement on the specs, and now it is known well some of yall I know for a fact knew before hand.
The amp failed this is the test, and standards usac is using and thats pretty much that I agree with bruce that at 20% most of the amps out today will fail.
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| | Subject: Re: DDM3 Protest Results Fri May 16, 2008 5:20 pm | |
| Just a quick question...alil off the topic though.
How can I get in contact w/ AudioTruth Labs?
(Or for that matter, any place that can correctly test an amp)
I would like to personally send in an amp or 2. |
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